Airtran MC not coming to Dallas?

[GuppyWN]

WTF?

You guys want a better deal but now you're once again giving Gary the finger?

My bud tells me your MC just emailed that they won't be in Dallas this week.

You just can't cure stupid!

Gup

 

[Daddy]

Holy crap

 

[Nindiri]

I haven't heard that, it may be a lie.

But since you guys have already said that SWAPA will not negotiate in good faith, what would be the point of meeting anyway?

 

[GuppyWN]

Check your inbox. It's most certainly true.

Gup

 

[Nindiri]

Nope, nothing in the inbox. I suppose we will see shortly if it's true.

But really, what's the point anyway? Inviting the AT team to Dallas for negotiations when you say that SWAPA will not negotiate in good faith is insulting, and does not reflect well on SWAPA's integrity. I've heard that this is one of the complaints of the senior SWA pilots about SC.

 

[On Your Six]

Maybe they want to follow the Process Agreement that everyone signed?

Godspeed!



OYS

 

[Nindiri]

Maybe they want to follow the Process Agreement that everyone signed?

Godspeed!



OYS

One thing I admire a lot about Delta is how they keep their word. They're tough negotiators, but their integrity and good faith is never in doubt, and when they sign an agreement, they keep it. The Delta-NW merger is a good example of it.

Well done, guys.

 

[jonjuan]

WTF?

You guys want a better deal but now you're once again giving Gary the finger?

My bud tells me your MC just emailed that they won't be in Dallas this week.

You just can't cure stupid!

Gup

Too frikkin hot.

 

[ASADFW7]

So there was an agreement yet it didn't get sent to the membership and who is the bad faith party. You may not have liked the details but SWAPA was going to let their pilots participate in deciding their futures. Step back off the ledge and see what you are throwing at us. AAI alpa decided not to cimetidine to Dallas this week and SWAPA is at fault?

 

[chrayo]

Gup, I was told they are still going.

 

[Fubijaakr]

But since you guys have already said that SWAPA will not negotiate in good faith, what would be the point of meeting anyway?

Exactly. That would be called pi$$ing in the wind.

But really, what's the point anyway? Inviting the AT team to Dallas for negotiations when you say that SWAPA will not negotiate in good faith is insulting, and does not reflect well on SWAPA's integrity.

Historically, the SWA "culture" shows they have no integrity. Except for a Swingline love, that is.

 

[Nindiri]

So there was an agreement yet it didn't get sent to the membership and who is the bad faith party. You may not have liked the details but SWAPA was going to let their pilots participate in deciding their futures. Step back off the ledge and see what you are throwing at us. AAI alpa decided not to cimetidine to Dallas this week and SWAPA is at fault?

Your own pilots here are saying that SWAPA isn't going to negotiate in good faith even though they invited the AT team to Dallas for further negotiations. I'm simply repeating what they say.

 

[Nindiri]

Historically, the SWA "culture" shows they have no integrity. Except for a Swingline love, that is.

I fear you are right. I lost count of the "Swingline" references by SWA pilots on here before the negotiations even began.

 

[On Your Six]

So there was an agreement yet it didn't get sent to the membership and who is the bad faith party. You may not have liked the details but SWAPA was going to let their pilots participate in deciding their futures. Step back off the ledge and see what you are throwing at us. AAI alpa decided not to cimetidine to Dallas this week and SWAPA is at fault?

The AT MEC saw your deal and considered it terrible. They asked their members personally, and decided. It seems like they are now following the Process Agreement. Why are you so upset?


OYS

 

[Bill Nelson]

Nope, nothing in the inbox. I suppose we will see shortly if it's true.

But really, what's the point anyway? Inviting the AT team to Dallas for negotiations when you say that SWAPA will not negotiate in good faith is insulting, and does not reflect well on SWAPA's integrity. I've heard that this is one of the complaints of the senior SWA pilots about SC.

SWAPA always acts in good faith. You may not like the truth or the outcome but that is a product of being bought by the dominant domestic carrier. A bottom feeder got bought by the big dog.

 

[Bill Nelson]

I just got a call from a AirTran friend. I guess it may be true. He said he just heard his union sent an update that they were not coming to Dallas this week. He hadn't read the update but said he heard it on the crew van.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was true. ALPA hasn't made very many wise decisions lately.

 

[Nindiri]

SWAPA always acts in good faith.

Not according to the SWA pilots in the other threads here.

 

[Lear70]

Not true.

MEC. Temp Comm Chair posted 10 min ago on internal message board to this rumor saying no change of plans.

Not sure what email your "source" is looking at.

 

[SWA/FO]

Maybe they want to follow the Process Agreement that everyone signed?

Sounds like they are dip *hit!

 

[becket]

It sure sounds like the SWA guys here are terrified of letting the agreement play out. Gee, I wonder why.

 

[redflyer65]

You guys are hilarious. Why would SW pilots be worried about this? We pretty much have ever ounce of leverage. How about the leverage on the AAI side? You have Linden and TO, that's about it. Good luck to you guys.

 

[MILF Hunter]

Sounds to me like the MEC probably reigned them in, considering the last time they were sent to DAL, they returned with a good deal that was then $hit-canned in ATL.

Remember, the MEC recalled TO for getting to involved with the MC. Later, the MEC said the doomed AIP was partly their fault because they didn't involve themselves enough and the MC had no direction or limits. What a bunch of morons!

It seems to me that before any MC/NC meetings, you trannies need your leadership to smooth things over with GK.

 

[zippy32]

Not true.

MEC. Temp Comm Chair posted 10 min ago on internal message board to this rumor saying no change of plans.

Not sure what email your "source" is looking at.

Temp Comm Chair? Did TO get fired again?

 

[Old School 737]

Never mind!!

 

[Lear70]

Airtran MC not coming to Dallas?


I think the subject of the original post should be Airtran MEC not comming to Dallas? I think MC is master of ceremonies or something like that!?!

Are you serious? lol

MC is Merger Committee. And contrary to the popular rumor of the day, they are indeed on their way to Dallas (one already lives there).

The MEC was never supposed to come to Dallas today, although the company removed them from flying last Thursday (non-disciplinary). Alleged reason was "distractions to the flight crews", but the rumor is that GK wants them to be available to fly to Dallas, if needed, this week, without having to take time to get them off their trips and get them out there.

 

[Dude]

Alleged reason was "distractions to the flight crews",

I guess so. 7 people voting for the careers of 1700? My guess is the 1700 don't share the views of the 7. Not only would I not fly, I'd prolly look for another address.

Should have been voted on. Yes or No, no matter. The pilots should vote.

 

[MILF Hunter]

Now that the 7 on the MEC made that decision, the real question is what will get their vote to forward the next one?

Obviously, SWA has made clear their decision to take all economic incentives of the table. SWAPA has made clear that there won't be any movement in ALPA's direction. The only chance for a negotiated deal is one that is better for SWA pilots. Will the MEC, though, be willing to present a deal to their membership that has far less in terms of economics, less protections for trannies, and possibly less seniority?

This is not meant to piss anyone off. I'm genuinely curious...and concerned.

 

[HighSpeed]

Now that the 7 on the MEC made that decision, the real question is what will get their vote to forward the next one?

Obviously, SWA has made clear their decision to take all economic incentives of the table. SWAPA has made clear that there won't be any movement in ALPA's direction. The only chance for a negotiated deal is one that is better for SWA pilots. Will the MEC, though, be willing to present a deal to their membership that has far less in terms of economics, less protections for trannies, and possibly less seniority?

This is not meant to piss anyone off. I'm genuinely curious...and concerned.

Good question...

 

[redflyer65]

Alleged reason was "distractions to the flight crews.

WOW. I can understand that.

 

[DonVerita]

I guess so. 7 people voting for the careers of 1700? My guess is the 1700 don't share the views of the 7. Not only would I not fly, I'd prolly look for another address.

Should have been voted on. Yes or No, no matter. The pilots should vote.

Then you don't understand what a representational democracy is, even though you are living under one right now.

Does your Congressman call you and ask your opinion on each and every vote? Does he even call you at all? No. But he does take calls and opinions. Now, if he's doing his job, he counts up those opinions and interjects logic with the end result being a decision that protects his constituents.

That is exactly what our MEC did after receiving an overwhelming number of calls and opinions from their constituents, coupled with legal advice from our attorneys. The MEC protected us from a lopsided, unfair, and inequitable SLI. They realized early on that the fear mongerors and defeatists had made up lies and then spread them. So, a true vote based on facts could not possibly have taken place. Therefore, the MEC voted the AIP down.

It's very telling how some SWA people on here try to tell ATN pilots how to run their show. It clearly shows SWAPA's growing anxiety over going to arbitration. Why? Because a panel of arbitrators can not be bought off, bullied, or coerced into delivering anything that is not fact and legal based. Only arbitration can deliver a pure result.