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Rerouted

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Anyone know if it's true that Avantair pulled all their FO's who don't hold an ATP off line until the FO's go out and pay for an ATP out of their own pockets? I'm hoping this is just a nastry rumor, although nothing would surprise me in this business.
 
Rerouted said:
Anyone know if it's true that Avantair pulled all their FO's who don't hold an ATP off line until the FO's go out and pay for an ATP out of their own pockets? I'm hoping this is just a nastry rumor, although nothing would surprise me in this business.
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Interesting. I have not heard of this. Source?
 
I gotta call BS on this one. As an FO who works there, this is the first I've heard of this idea. Completely wrong. Try again.
 
Nothin' but a nastry rumor...

Rerouted said:
Anyone know if it's true that Avantair pulled all their FO's who don't hold an ATP off line until the FO's go out and pay for an ATP out of their own pockets? I'm hoping this is just a nastry rumor, although nothing would surprise me in this business.
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Sorry, but we're so busy that all hands are needed on deck. We don't have the luxury of pulling anyone off line at the moment. Business is booming and we're doing all that we can to meet the demand.

On the bright side, it's nice to see Avantair back on the board. Thanks!
 
And just like that, this has turned into another NetJets thread! Damn, that didn't last long...
 
glasspilot said:
Please site any carrier in the world that hasn't hired pilots without their ATP.
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Not the point. Your operation is about the only one to hire in the last few years, so yes, it is suprising you still have people with no ATP. Maybe your hiring standards are in line with the regionals.
 
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NetJets has NEVER hired a non-ATP pilot? Really. Going way back to the early days it's NEVER happened? I personally know guys there who were hired without it straight from the right seat of an RJ.
 
av8trinabarrel said:
Not the point. Your operation is about the only one to hire in the last few years, so yes, it is suprising you still have people with no ATP. Maybe your hiring standards are in line with the regionals.
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Sure, my guess is all those pilots had it. But that by itself doesn't change the status of a guy hired before that doesn't have an ATP and never upgraded for whatever reason.
 
As for the source - I heard it from a guy at Avantair who is looking for someplace to get an ATP in a hurry. Supposedly they gave him 2 weeks to get it. Whether he understood what they want or didn't convey the story accurately I don't know...that's why I asked if anyone has heard anything like this. It seemed strange to me since they could easily have remedied this in recurrent. It just doesn't sound right...I agree.
 
Might have been a guy who is about to upgrade. Turns out you need an ATP to fly left seat. Currently Avantair is not authorized to give the ATP check ride. They are working on that too.

Gunfyter: you can't just say something that's not true and make it a fact. NetJets has hired commercial only pilots and you know it. Just admit it. You'll feel better.
 
glasspilot said:
Currently Avantair is not authorized to give the ATP check ride.
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I've never flown 135 so I might be wrong, but isn't a 135 PC the same basic ride as an ATP?
 
glasspilot said:
Might have been a guy who is about to upgrade. Turns out you need an ATP to fly left seat. Currently Avantair is not authorized to give the ATP check ride. They are working on that too.

Gunfyter: you can't just say something that's not true and make it a fact. NetJets has hired commercial only pilots and you know it. Just admit it. You'll feel better.
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Why would I admit what isn't true? Oh yeah, Netjets has hired commercial pilots as Dispatchers and Flight Managers, and Flight Attendants! Actually some of them have their ATP.
 
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glasspilot said:
Might have been a guy who is about to upgrade. Turns out you need an ATP to fly left seat. Currently Avantair is not authorized to give the ATP check ride. They are working on that too.

Gunfyter: you can't just say something that's not true and make it a fact. NetJets has hired commercial only pilots and you know it. Just admit it. You'll feel better.
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Now that makes sense - no ATP, no left seat. Still it's surprising they have no one to check that box off in house.
 
that is because an ATP is certification. A 135 check is for proficiency.

they can do an ATP during a 135 check, its the same stuff, but it has to be done by an FAA inspector.
 
brokeflyer said:
that is because an ATP is certification. A 135 check is for proficiency.

they can do an ATP during a 135 check, its the same stuff, but it has to be done by an FAA inspector.
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Aren't the FSI evaluators authorized DPEs for the ATP?
 
I'm pretty sure that it's just Company policy to have your ATP prior to your upgrade ride. Plain and simple.

Everyone please join me in thanking my man, President Obama, for issuing the kill order on Bin Laden. One less P.O.S. breathing the air on our planet.
 
rettofly said:
Aren't the FSI evaluators authorized DPEs for the ATP?
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Check ride manuevers are similar - there may be a coulple extra manuevers combined with more restrictive tolerances for the manuevers. but basically the same ride.

Only 1 DPE @ FSI for the Piaggio P180. Avantair uses Avantair Instructors and Check Airmen. Not FSI's for the obvious standardization reasons. So it can be done, just isnt recomended do to logistical reasons. Every Pilot has an ATP except a few pilots hired back in 2007 or '08 when pilots were scarce and jobs were plentiful.

91K requires that a PIC have an ATP - 135 only requires a commercial certificate.

I have not heard of anyone being pulled from the line for not having one.

Current Minimums posted on website:

Minimums requirements:

  • 2500 Total Time
  • 1000 Multi-engine
  • 250 Instruments
  • 100 recent multi engine turbine or type rating
  • 250 Hours within the past 12 months
  • Airline Transport Pilot
  • First Class Medical
  • Current Passport
  • FCC Restricted Radio/Telephone Permit
 
AftCG182 said:
Everyone please join me in thanking my man, President Obama, for issuing the kill order on Bin Laden. One less P.O.S. breathing the air on our planet.
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Yes. Thank you President Obama for continuing the Bush policies. And thank you President Bush for the enhanced interrogation of terrorists at Gitmo who provided the lead to Osama's location.
 
Yes, this is truly Bush's victory. Osama was caught by bush despite Obama. Thank God we have such a strong president right now that he can be present over two years after leaving office. And that he can be effective with a Kenyan in the oval office speaks volumes as to how great he is.

Bush is awesome. It was reported on Fox so it must be true.
 
gunfyter said:
Can you get an ATP in a sim?


BTW Herman Cain is good to go. Fair Tax guy.
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Yes you can. I got my ATP and DHC-8 type at the same time. You just have to have your written done of course. The cool thing is as long as your with a 121 (possibly 135) company, your written does not expire. Mine was over three years old when I got my ATP out of the way. You cannot though get your ATP outside of your company if your written is expired. You have to get it with your current outfit. So if you have to wait say 5 years to upgrade, you would have to re-take your written if you want to do your ATP checkride sooner outside your company.
 
AftCG182 said:
Everyone please join me in thanking my man, President Obama, for issuing the kill order on Bin Laden. One less P.O.S. breathing the air on our planet.
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Yeah, lets thank the same guy who just last month was going to stop the pay for all military men and women (the one's you should really be thanking.)

Oh yeah, you can get an atp in a sim...
 
It depends on the level of the sim. Older and cheaper sims don't have the full landing certification needed to complete the ATP. Most of the maneuvers are done in the sim and the check is completed in the airplane. This was standard practice not that long ago.
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