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Revenues up, profits down for SkyWest, new Delta rates begin to show

24th November, 2010

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SkyWest Inc’s operating revenues rose to USD686.9 million in the third quarter, up nearly US49.1 million but net income declined USD3 million to USD25.5 million as it agreed on new rates for its Delta Connection flying mostly at subsidiary Atlantic Southeast Airlines which cost the company nearly USD5 million in revenues. The increased revenues partially came from a 5.4% increase in block hours resulting from 20 more aircraft.
For the past few years, Delta has said it is seeking more competitive rates and more risk sharing from its regional partners. The new rates and increasing maintenance expenses dragged down the company’s third quarter performance.
The new rates, now in the process of reaching a final agreement with Delta, kicked in during the third and fifth years of its current contract effective 8-Sept-2005. CFO Brad Rich said the actual rates – seeking a Delta Connection average in the third year and the second lowest in the fifth year which became effective on 8-Sept-2010 – was a complex undertaking which is only now reaching conclusion.
Rich described the new discussion as being about the mechanism for adjusting rates in which the original wording was unclear. They have also agreed on an escalation formula. Minimum utilisation remains unchanged. Even so, ASA has experienced a significant drop in utilisation which, he noted, of course makes unit costs hard to contain. He said the biggest challenge was determining what the average Delta Connection rate was, which required re-examining all contracts and putting them on as much of an apples-to-apples comparison as possible.
The companies have what Rich called a preliminary understanding and expect to conclude the transaction during the fourth quarter. Even so, it reduced SkyWest Inc’s revenue by USD4.9 million pre tax between 8-Sept and the end of the quarter on 30-Sept.
“If you look at the run rates it will mean a further reduction of couple of million per quarter in addition to the USD5 million we reported in the third quarter,” said Rich. “There will be very little impact on the SkyWest Airline rates. The primary impact will be on ASA rates.”
While the new agreement did not extend the term of the Delta Connection contract for the flying, it did, said Rich, extend the rates to a longer term, providing more stability on revenues. The same is true of its United flying where fuel and maintenance created a volatility in the USD100 million range over the last few quarters, said Rich. However, in the third quarter that volatility was in the USD13 million range.
“The good news is our operating revenues showed a lot less volatility in the top-line created by pass-through fuel,” he told analysts yesterday. “The year-over-year comparisons are more normal and stable. The primary driver for this is the fundamental change in the block-hour production which was up 4.5% in the quarter and accounted for USD36.6 million of the total USD49.1 million increase in revenues in the quarter. The remainder was pass-through expenses on fuel and maintenance. good news on op revs, seeing a lot less volatility in top line op revenues created by pass-through fuel.”
Reimbursements for expenses under the contracts including fuel and maintenance are recorded as revenue, resulting in an operating revenue increase of USD10.3 million in the quarter compared with 3Q2009. The remaining increase in operating revenues was primarily due to an increase in ground handling and other revenue.
Maintenance costs a challenge

Rich also pointed to the imbalance between the United pass-through costs for maintenance and actual maintenance costs as impacting the third quarter results, adding that is something that will likely continue over the next year. Under the United Express agreement with SkyWest Airlines and Atlantic Southeast, SkyWest recognizes revenue at a fixed hourly rate for mature engine maintenance on regional jet engines and SkyWest recognizes engine maintenance expense on its CRJ200 regional jet engines on an as-incurred basis as maintenance expense. During the third quarter CRJ-200 engine expense rose USD2.1 million compared with 3Q2009 on the timing of scheduled engine maintenance events. Consequently, the expenses in excess of pass-through re-embursments totalled USD9 million, which Rich said would be about the same in each quarter over the next year.
Rich also reported that pro-rate flying for United and AirTran did very well in the quarter having increased its fleet from 38 aircraft in 3Q2009 to 61 aircraft. Pro-rate flying makes SkyWest Inc’s revenues more seasonal. However, it experienced an USD8 million swing from the USD2 million net loss incurred in 3Q2009 to USD6 million pre-tax profit for the third quarter 2010. Pro-rate flying constitutes about 15% of revenues for the mix of Brasilias and CRJ-200s. The trick was to make pro-rate flying pay for the regional jets. Even so, Rich pointed to the increased flexibility the company has in being able to change the fleet rapidly. The RJs have gone into some unique markets where majors had heavier equipment, he said, adding, if they were not profitable they would be pulled down.
Turning to expenses, Rich reported total airline expenses (total operating and interest expense) increased USD54.6 million to USD628 million, or 9.2%, in the third quarter compared to 3Q-2009. Excluding fuel and engine overhaul costs directly reimbursed under SkyWest’s flying contracts, total airline expenses increased USD44.3 million, or 8.7%, from 3Q3009.
Rich acknowledged the huge challenges for the company. He reported that non-fuel CASM dropped 1.1% to 8.9 cents but represented a 2.2% decline from the 2Q2010. Despite the help offered by eliminating the redundancies as ExpressJet is integrated into ASA, cost reductions will be critical to maintaining the company’s competitiveness.
“It is going in the right direction,” he said. “However, you have to remember that the whole purpose in the new rates is to keep our rates competitive. That means we have to work very aggressively to match our cost structure to the new rate structure. We will make some progress on costs with the integration of ExpressJet expected later in this quarter as we enhance our ability to gain better utilisation and reduce redundant functions. But the real benefits of the ExpressJet acquisition will not come until we have a single operating certificate which we expect in 12 to 14 months. In addition, as difficult as the maintenance mismatch is on the financials, when you adjust SkyWest Airlines performance on a steady state and eliminate the mismatch, SkyWest Airlines had one of the best quarterly performance it has ever produced so, fundamentally, things are going very well.”
Rich said that ExpressJet scheduled its stockholders meeting, at which the acquisition is expected to be approved, for 10-Nov-2010. “We’ve had no real surprises,” he said. “Once we close the deal there will be an immediate integration of administrative functions followed by an aggressive plan to accomplish a single operating certificate. Any negative issues that may come out of the transaction will be more than offset by new purchase-accounting rules.”
In addition to eliminating redundant functions, the company will also eliminate the public company expenses and, from that, expects a relatively quick operational positive contributions to income.
The only guidance he would provide for the fourth quarter noted that ASMs for the quarter for SkyWest and ASA would be six billion but would rise to 7.5 billion with the addition of the ExpressJet flying. However, he indicated that further guidance would come when the deal closed later this quarter. With ExpressJet the fleet will jump from 460 to 700 aircraft.
ASMs were up 6.4% to 6.3 billion will RPMs rose 5.1% to 5.7 billion. Load factor was up .5% to 80% while break-even load factor is 76.5%. Yield rose 1.5% to 12.2 cents while RASM rose 1.9% to 10.9 cents. CASM was up 3% to 10.3 cents. Block hours rose 5.4% to 379,129 while average trip length shrank 2.4% to 498 miles.
 
when you make your money sucking the tit of mainline it really doesn't count now does it? go out and get your own pax and routes then post the results.
 
when you make your money sucking the tit of mainline it really doesn't count now does it? go out and get your own pax and routes then post the results.

uh I believe we're providing a service that mainline wants, and demands. If mainline wanted mainline to fly it now wouldn't they do that? This be America, land of opportunity, and SKYW is taking advantage of it. get used to it junior, more coming with 100 seaters soon.
 
when you make your money sucking the tit of mainline it really doesn't count now does it? go out and get your own pax and routes then post the results.

Nice!! So does the money Skychefs make count since it came from mainline? Are Jeppesen's profits real since the money comes from mainline? Seriously, do you not understand how money can be exchanged for goods or services? It's a concept that predates all of us.


I want the regionals to go back to being just 1900's as much as anybody, but that isn't in mainlines game plan.
 
Nice!! So does the money Skychefs make count since it came from mainline? Are Jeppesen's profits real since the money comes from mainline? Seriously, do you not understand how money can be exchanged for goods or services? It's a concept that predates all of us.


I want the regionals to go back to being just 1900's as much as anybody, but that isn't in mainlines game plan.

No-

He really doesn't understand..... Most pilots are not bright.
 
uh I believe we're providing a service that mainline wants, and demands. If mainline wanted mainline to fly it now wouldn't they do that? This be America, land of opportunity, and SKYW is taking advantage of it. get used to it junior, more coming with 100 seaters soon.

Hey pals, that just isn't the case. No 100 seaters for DCI or any regional flying for a mainline. Why is that? Mainlines are becoming profitable, and that means less bargaining power at the negotiating table. When things were down and Chap 11 was being thrown in our faces, then scope became more lax, and regionals gained more 76 seaters. Well, that period is over for SKW and other regionals. Now, 50 seaters are being parked, props are being parked, oil is still relatively high which is bad for regionals who now pay their own bills, new FAA hiring rules will make costs go up, new rest and fatigue rules will make regionals more inefficient, CAL and UAL MECs exerting pressure on UAL management to stop outsourcing, etc.... Yes, regionals are trying to buy each other to become "super regionals", but there will still be 4 or 5 big players, and they will go against each other to fight for any feed at the majors. If they try to go their own way a la Independence Air, they will die like them too. Not a lot of options, other than eventual downsizing and focusing on 2 or 3 core relationships, and hope the mainline pilots don't bargain regional contracts away. It's all what you negotiate, and guess what? Times are a lot better than before, and that can only mean bad things for certain groups. Are you one of them? Remember, you don't negotiate for your flying, mainline pilots do. It's all about a contract between the mainline pilots and mainline management. You are feed, and a contractor.

And Freebrd, you may want to re-read the article above. It's not as positive and you spin it.

But other than all of that, YOU GUYS ARE ALL FANTASTIC. REALLY, TOP NOTCH DUDES. HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING, and if you have time tonight, do something nice for someone or something, like throwing turkey scraps to that mountain cougar outside your house. Yes, it might not be smart, but that cougar is hungry too, and he'll be thankful no doubt! See ya!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
uh I believe we're providing a service that mainline wants, and demands. If mainline wanted mainline to fly it now wouldn't they do that? This be America, land of opportunity, and SKYW is taking advantage of it. get used to it junior, more coming with 100 seaters soon.

if by "land of opportunity" you mean eliminating good paying career pilot jobs and replacing them with poverty wage slave shops degrading your very own profession while lining the pockets of management then I guess your correct.
 
if by "land of opportunity" you mean eliminating good paying career pilot jobs and replacing them with poverty wage slave shops degrading your very own profession while lining the pockets of management then I guess your correct.

While I agree with you Lear, mainline's 190 Rates however have poverty written all over them.
 
While I agree with you Lear, mainline's 190 Rates however have poverty written all over them.

yeah well in BK there is not much leverage to negotiate stellar rates, just happy they are on the property. little steps sometimes, i guess.
 
you seriously need to be smacked in the head with a brick don't you?

nah, just stating facts junior. you don't think major & regional management are scheming to do this? they'll give GL & company that BIG raise and they'll bend over on scope, again. watch.
 
if by "land of opportunity" you mean eliminating good paying career pilot jobs and replacing them with poverty wage slave shops degrading your very own profession while lining the pockets of management then I guess your correct.

If you fly for USAirways, that above comment is WAY too funny to even think about taking seriously!!!!
 
Hey pals, that just isn't the case. No 100 seaters for DCI or any regional flying for a mainline. Why is that? Mainlines are becoming profitable, and that means less bargaining power at the negotiating table.

And your history is a little off. You see, before 9/11, "mainlines" were profitable too. Isn't that amazing? One carrier's management specifically said "we'll give you more big, shiny, heavy jets if you just relax the scope. With all this money we're making, it'll be good for everybody"

And the pilots with their HJS (heavy jet syndrome) fell for it. The "promised" number of 777's never showed up.

Didn't work out so well, did it?


Now, 50 seaters are being parked, props are being parked

Is Colgan still taking deliveries of the Q400?

Not a lot of options, other than eventual downsizing and focusing on 2 or 3 core relationships, and hope the mainline pilots don't bargain regional contracts away.

Sadly, that chapter has yet to be written with CAL/UAL 70 seat debacle.

It's all what you negotiate, and guess what? Times are a lot better than before, and that can only mean bad things for certain groups. Are you one of them? Remember, you don't negotiate for your flying, mainline pilots do. It's all about a contract between the mainline pilots and mainline management. You are feed, and a contractor.

See the above statement. Pilots were all too happy to give up scope for wide bodies that NEVER came. Unfortunately, pilots have short memories. It's been proven over and over.
 
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Now, 50 seaters are being parked, props are being parked,Bye Bye---General Lee

thats funny GL, youve been hawking that awhile now and hasn't proven factual, and at ASA we keep acquiring more of 'em, and 700s too, with more on the way. but keep hawking that sermon and maybe your bros will believe it
 
While I agree with you Lear, mainline's 190 Rates however have poverty written all over them.

Those are still BK wages, and if you think they will stay that way forever, then you are mistaken. Mainline managements have a lot to make up for since the bankruptcies, and I bet the unions know that too. I can't wait to make the jump upwards. How about you? Have you enjoyed your years and years in the prop?
 
Those are still BK wages, and if you think they will stay that way forever, then you are mistaken. Mainline managements have a lot to make up for since the bankruptcies, and I bet the unions know that too. I can't wait to make the jump upwards. How about you? Have you enjoyed your years and years in the prop?


I am at that point of trying to decide that..... As for enjoying my 10 years at Piedmont. Hmmmm, Captain living in base..... Gotta House, New Truck, 529 for my Daughter, Take a few Vactions a year. Work with some of the best people around. You know what??? I have enjoyed it.
Then again I am not like a some. I don't care if I am in a boeing or a airbus. I just want time at home and make a good living. So far Piedmont has supplied that. Do I want more??? Sure, but there are sacrifices involved.
And to be honest I don't think those remaining 190s will be staying at US Airways.
 
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It amazes me how many mainline pilots are oblivious to what we, at the regionals, make. The pay isn't as low as many assume. Proportionally, per seat, I think regional folks make more money than the mainline folks do. We make less because the airplanes are smaller. There gets to be a point where mainline pilots are going to have to step up to the plate and up the ante on their own. The days of making excuses as to the pay cuts and the regional prolifferation are over, in my book.
 
Hey pals, that just isn't the case. No 100 seaters for DCI or any regional flying for a mainline. Why is that? Mainlines are becoming profitable, and that means less bargaining power at the negotiating table. When things were down and Chap 11 was being thrown in our faces, then scope became more lax, and regionals gained more 76 seaters. Well, that period is over for SKW and other regionals. Now, 50 seaters are being parked, props are being parked, oil is still relatively high which is bad for regionals who now pay their own bills, new FAA hiring rules will make costs go up, new rest and fatigue rules will make regionals more inefficient, CAL and UAL MECs exerting pressure on UAL management to stop outsourcing, etc.... Yes, regionals are trying to buy each other to become "super regionals", but there will still be 4 or 5 big players, and they will go against each other to fight for any feed at the majors. If they try to go their own way a la Independence Air, they will die like them too. Not a lot of options, other than eventual downsizing and focusing on 2 or 3 core relationships, and hope the mainline pilots don't bargain regional contracts away. It's all what you negotiate, and guess what? Times are a lot better than before, and that can only mean bad things for certain groups. Are you one of them? Remember, you don't negotiate for your flying, mainline pilots do. It's all about a contract between the mainline pilots and mainline management. You are feed, and a contractor.

And Freebrd, you may want to re-read the article above. It's not as positive and you spin it.

But other than all of that, YOU GUYS ARE ALL FANTASTIC. REALLY, TOP NOTCH DUDES. HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING, and if you have time tonight, do something nice for someone or something, like throwing turkey scraps to that mountain cougar outside your house. Yes, it might not be smart, but that cougar is hungry too, and he'll be thankful no doubt! See ya!


Bye Bye---General Lee

You're funny. You really only have one post, it's just you've posted it 14,383 times. Soon to be 14,384.




eP.
 
It amazes me how many mainline pilots are oblivious to what we, at the regionals, make. The pay isn't as low as many assume. Proportionally, per seat, I think regional folks make more money than the mainline folks do. We make less because the airplanes are smaller. There gets to be a point where mainline pilots are going to have to step up to the plate and up the ante on their own. The days of making excuses as to the pay cuts and the regional prolifferation are over, in my book.

CFIs make far "more per seat" than 777 captains... Would like like to come up with an better analogy?

-Don't fall for this lame "per seat" B.S. It is illogical to expect that an rj driver would somehow accept any less responsibility for safety just because there are fewer pax. We all have a job with very little room for error, and precisely the same level of responsibility.

-Some folks just have a big head (Gen Lee style jerks are not as uncommon as people would like.)
 
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thats funny GL, youve been hawking that awhile now and hasn't proven factual, and at ASA we keep acquiring more of 'em, and 700s too, with more on the way. but keep hawking that sermon and maybe your bros will believe it

For Delta? Really? Oh yeah, you are HOPING that everything will work out with the UAL/CAL MEC's and they will give in, right? Doesn't look like it. Will you be moving those CR7s to IAH? Hmmmmm, probably not. The Expressjet guys have a perm bid out that is on hold now awaiting the decision of the arbitrator, and we ALL KNOW that the new UAL CEO is pulling a fast one here. (CAL SCOPE CLEARLY STATES that there will be NO RJs over 50 seats at their hubs, and they still have seperate certificates and have not come up with a joint contract covering scope for both pilot groups) So, until that is resolved, I would hold your breathe and see how it comes out. I don't think SCOPE will get any better for you after this CAL/UAL merger is complete, and the DL CEO is intent on getting rid of more RJs. But hey, keep telling yourself that you will expand......then it will be TRUE......Have fun out there!


Bye Bye---General Lee

PS----YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!
 
You're funny. You really only have one post, it's just you've posted it 14,383 times. Soon to be 14,384.




eP.

Your laughing will soon stop, and may turn to crying. Hey, if that does happen, maybe more mainline jobs will come to the regional guys, and that means more guys above you and CRJ567 with actual interview skills and piloting skills will move on to better jobs. You and CRJ567 will then be able to bid up in your companies and be SENIOR RJ DRIVERS the rest of your lives, or until all RJs are gone, which ever comes first. The best thing that could happen for you guys right now is for the mainline companies to have HUGE losses, which would mean more concessions from mainline pilot groups. If that doesn't happen, then SCOPE will get tighter, and that aint good for your group. How is that looking now? Do you have an answer? I didn't think so, you never do.


Bye Bye---General Lee


PS----HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY SEASON!
 
Really? The perm bid is "on hold"? Haven't heard any comm from company that anything is on hold.


Have the 30 or 40 ERJs been moved out of IAH to ORD yet? Not according to my Expressjet friends. They are awaiting to see if the SKW CR7 thing to IAH actually happens, and it is on hold until the arbitrator makes the decision. If you lose, would it make sense to base 20 CR7s in IAH? Ummm, no. And, I don't see the UAL/CAL MECs budging at all.


Bye Bye----General Lee


PS----HAVE A HAPPY HAPPY XMAS, IT'S THE BEST TIME OF THE YEAR....
 
It amazes me how many mainline pilots are oblivious to what we, at the regionals, make. The pay isn't as low as many assume. Proportionally, per seat, I think regional folks make more money than the mainline folks do. We make less because the airplanes are smaller. There gets to be a point where mainline pilots are going to have to step up to the plate and up the ante on their own. The days of making excuses as to the pay cuts and the regional prolifferation are over, in my book.


Hello? Do you remember what mainline pilots USED TO MAKE prior to BK? Remember that mainline pilots are all coming off of BK contracts, and now most mainlines are doing a lot better financially. If you think mainline pilots won't make more money, and soon, then you don't know what is happening out there. UAL and CAL made over a billion dollars PROFIT LAST QUARTER ALONE. Those pilots are at a perfect place for contract negotiation, and if they would just get their internal squabbling over with on Seniority issues, they will reap major benifits and pay increases. And, that, along with the Airtran and SWA merger, will help every mainline pilot out there. Airtran will get SWA wages, and then Delta can't compare DL to Airtran payscales in ATL. It just won't be an issue anymore, and teh SWA payscale will become the benchmark. Add to that, Senior mainline pilots will be retiring a large amount of pilots soon (there are 1700 now at DL in the age 60-65 range, and there will be 2200 by next summer, all waiting to go). If one guy leaves from the top, that moves up 20 or more pilots (DC9 FO moves up to A320 FO, the A320 FO moves up to 767 FO, etc all the way up), and wages go up due to that too. RJ pilots have made more lately because they have stayed in that position longer. Guys with multiple kids now may not leave because they "can't afford it", and those are the guys that complain the loudest on this board. They unfortunately don't see the "real world" picture, because they had kids before they could leave, and that is too bad. I know a Mesaba guy who turned down the flow up to Delta because he had a couple kids, and now I am hearing the possibility of 600 to 900 newhires in the next year or so. That would have put him in the front of another big hiring wave, and given him a line probably on a nice narrowbody. Sorry, but being senior on an RJ will never be as good as being a line holder at a major, hired in the beginning of a wave too. Ouch.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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Have the 30 or 40 ERJs been moved out of IAH to ORD yet? Not according to my Expressjet friends. They are awaiting to see if the SKW CR7 thing to IAH actually happens, and it is on hold until the arbitrator makes the decision. If you lose, would it make sense to base 20 CR7s in IAH? Ummm, no. And, I don't see the UAL/CAL MECs budging at all.


Bye Bye----General Lee


PS----HAVE A HAPPY HAPPY XMAS, IT'S THE BEST TIME OF THE YEAR....

Nope, but there is NO current bid "on hold". Also, they're not all going to ORD, but I'm sure you knew that. I'm surprised you even have any friends, let alone some that are "regional" pilots.
 
Nope, but there is NO current bid "on hold". Also, they're not all going to ORD, but I'm sure you knew that. I'm surprised you even have any friends, let alone some that are "regional" pilots.

Those "Friends" Gen Lee is referring to are the Gerbils he shoves in his 2-hole. He often solicits their sage advice and wise counsel... They happy comply. Those poor little guys would do pretty much anything for a little fresh air.
 
CFIs make far "more per seat" than 777 captains... Would like like to come up with an better analogy?

-Don't fall for this lame "per seat" B.S. It is illogical to expect that an rj driver would somehow accept any less responsibility for safety just because there are fewer pax. We all have a job with very little room for error, and precisely the same level of responsibility.

-Some folks just have a big head (Gen Lee style jerks are not as uncommon as people would like.)

CRJ- I think you have a reading comprehension problem. I never said we had less responsibility. I did say that per pax flown, we make more money. To think that you are going to make the same flying a 50 seat RJ, as you would make flying a 737 is rediculous. However, on the flip side of that, if you are making the same flying a 90 seater, as you would flying a 50 seater, you are INSANE!

General. I hope you really do up the bar. For some strange reason, you seem to think I'm in opposition to this- I'm simply not. I'd like nothing more than to see pilots unite and push the bar up to where it SHOULD rightfully be. However, right now we are seeing much more of the same- just look at CAL-UAL, and the stalemate they are at. We SHOULD be upping the bar, but right now, the facts show it's more of the standard mess of pilot vs. pilot, with no gains to show for it.

General- I hope you and I get the opportunity to fly togeather sometime. I can't wait to get over to Delta and fly that 767-400. I will be looking for you- I take it you will be the pilot with the loafers?

Oh, and just to "pay if foward", I carried a midget up the stairs at the mall. Today, I think I may do something nice for you like butter up a handicap ramp................
 
CRJ- I think you have a reading comprehension problem. I never said we had less responsibility. I did say that per pax flown, we make more money. To think that you are going to make the same flying a 50 seat RJ, as you would make flying a 737 is rediculous. However, on the flip side of that, if you are making the same flying a 90 seater, as you would flying a 50 seater, you are INSANE!

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And I did say that "per pax flown" the very lowest-paid flight instructor makes far more money than a 777 captain, and rj captain, or anyone at any airline, for that matter. I was simply pointing out what a dumbass analogy you made.

-Of course, if you think that Gen Lee is some sort of role model, and has any sort of redeeming qualities you wish to emulate, then I can do nothing to help your rather obvious deficit in the area of common sense.
 

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