Least favorite rest rule?>

[waveflyer]

My vote: 30/7

All this does is make me have a choppier schedule- instead of being able to string together days in a row that allow for long stretches off=- i end up working a few, off for a few-- etc- it just gets in the way and often makes me bid flying that makes me more tired... Can't tell you how many times- great, easy trips are illegal by 15 minutes- but difficult ones with less block but more duty and less layover time are legal. Just a dumb rule.

Made more frustrating by my Turboprop roots where it was infinitely harder to build flight time, yet 34 in 7 was the rule.

I understand weekly limits are going away? .... hopefully

 

[Bad-Andy]

transcon turns....

that sux.

 

[Kharma Police]

My vote: 30/7

All this does is make me have a choppier schedule- instead of being able to string together days in a row that allow for long stretches off=- i end up working a few, off for a few-- etc- it just gets in the way and often makes me bid flying that makes me more tired... Can't tell you how many times- great, easy trips are illegal by 15 minutes- but difficult ones with less block but more duty and less layover time are legal. Just a dumb rule.

Made more frustrating by my Turboprop roots where it was infinitely harder to build flight time, yet 34 in 7 was the rule.

I understand weekly limits are going away? .... hopefully

The Government has no right to tell you how much you can fly! Just like airport security it's none of their business!

*insert quote from one of our Founding Fathers.

 

[Mike man]

The Government has no right to tell you how much you can fly! Just like airport security it's none of their business!

*insert quote from one of our Founding Fathers.

http://tinypic.com/r/6ozgxh/7

My least favorite is the drug testing...oh and the RLA. And people slamming doors in hotels, and rattling hotel heaters, and the excruciating dry air in hotels in the winter, and maids knocking on doors at 8:00AM even with the DND sign out, and when scheduling calls all night (but since I didn't answer they did not disturb my rest) and the bed bug scare going around...and a few others.

 

[B6Busdriver]

My vote: 30/7

All this does is make me have a choppier schedule- instead of being able to string together days in a row that allow for long stretches off=- i end up working a few, off for a few-- etc- it just gets in the way and often makes me bid flying that makes me more tired... Can't tell you how many times- great, easy trips are illegal by 15 minutes- but difficult ones with less block but more duty and less layover time are legal. Just a dumb rule.

Made more frustrating by my Turboprop roots where it was infinitely harder to build flight time, yet 34 in 7 was the rule.

I understand weekly limits are going away? .... hopefully

Agreed. I hate 30/7, hopefully going away under the new rules.

 

[dojetdriver]

My vote: 30/7

All this does is make me have a choppier schedule- instead of being able to string together days in a row that allow for long stretches off=- i end up working a few, off for a few-- etc- it just gets in the way and often makes me bid flying that makes me more tired... Can't tell you how many times- great, easy trips are illegal by 15 minutes- but difficult ones with less block but more duty and less layover time are legal. Just a dumb rule.

Made more frustrating by my Turboprop roots where it was infinitely harder to build flight time, yet 34 in 7 was the rule.

I understand weekly limits are going away? .... hopefully

I've had 4 day trip where I blocked 23-45 hours, but had min rest overnights and long duty days EVERY freaking day of the trip. And as a result, been completely blown out and feeling like a$$ on my first day off. I've also done 5,6,7,8 and 9 consecutive days of duty where I was right up against 30/7 the whole time. But due to short/high productive days and long rest periods I felt just fine at the end of it.

I'd rather seen the reduced rest crap go away with the standard 10 hours (or more) behind the door change.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

and maids knocking on doors at 8:00AM even with the DND sign out

Maybe she was a sweet Level 16 Elf and she wanted to join your party.

 

[CA1900]

Including a hotel van ride (and rotting in the freezing cold waiting for it) as part of my rest period.

Until I'm done moving and I'm in my room, I'm not resting.

 

[waveflyer]

The Government has no right to tell you how much you can fly! Just like airport security it's none of their business!

*insert quote from one of our Founding Fathers.

Yes, they do have that right- actually- responsibility ISA better word- I'm saying 30/7 doesn't help

 

[imacdog]

Scheduled reduced rest overnights.

 

[mach none]

I don't like my job, I don't think I am going anymore.

 

[Mike man]

Maybe she was a sweet Level 16 Elf and she wanted to join your party.

I don't get it?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

http://tinypic.com/r/6ozgxh/7 and maids knocking on doors at 8:00AM even with the DND sign out

You're not talking about playing Dungeons and Dragons (DND)?

 

[Mike man]

You're not talking about playing Dungeons and Dragons (DND)?

I forgot most hotels usually have a Dungeons and Dragons sign you can out out.

D.N.D. or DND = Do Not Disturb

But a quick google search revealed...Dungeons & Dragons (abbreviated as D&D or DnD)...my bad, I did not mean to cause a nerd alert.

 

[DeucesWild]

My least favorite:

8 hours bottle to throttle. I don't need that much rest. It's happy hour at the next layover, and I get paid to fly the jet from one party to the next!!

 

[hockeypilot44]

My vote: 30/7

All this does is make me have a choppier schedule- instead of being able to string together days in a row that allow for long stretches off=- i end up working a few, off for a few-- etc- it just gets in the way and often makes me bid flying that makes me more tired... Can't tell you how many times- great, easy trips are illegal by 15 minutes- but difficult ones with less block but more duty and less layover time are legal. Just a dumb rule.

Made more frustrating by my Turboprop roots where it was infinitely harder to build flight time, yet 34 in 7 was the rule.

I understand weekly limits are going away? .... hopefully

I don't mind 30/7. Deadheads should count towards 30/7 though. I've flown for too many airlines that will just turn one of my flying legs into a deadhead to make me legal.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I agree, rest should be time behind a hotel door.

 

[waveflyer]

I don't mind 30/7. Deadheads should count towards 30/7 though. I've flown for too many airlines that will just turn one of my flying legs into a deadhead to make me legal.

You would at southwest- fatigue stays low bc they don't reverse your sleep schedule and fly more in less duty- -> end result: you want to fly more and make more - our min credit is 19.5 on our most common trip- a 3 day. It's enough, but fatigue usually isn't why I can't fly more- it's the reg

 

[ExpWayVis31]

My vote: 30/7

Your correct 30/7 sucks...Should be 25/7

 

[waveflyer]

Don't you get paid by the hour? --how many block hours I fly in a week has very little to do w/ fatigue

 

[usav8r]

Two duty periods in a 24-hour period. 7am flight east coast to the west coast, 10 hours rest, and fly the redeye back! Sucks!

 

[traffic pilot]

The more I fly the more I make. I keep block time low so I can fly more and make more money. I look for deadheads because I still get the pay but avoid the block time.
These new rest rules are going to cost many of us money. The new rules are a yearly, monthly, and weekly lookback at duty time instead of block time.

 

[mamba20]

Here at my airline (another way ALPA sold out junior pilots) you can start a reserve time at say 10 am and then get called for a trip that leaves at 7 pm which is international where we have an 18 hour duty day limit. The thing is, that 18 hour clock resets when you show up (no credit for the previous 9 hours you were on call and this is for reserves only) for the trip! So if the flight is then delayed 10 hours your still legal to do it as long as the block time is less then 18 hours. If you end up calling in fatigued you get punished by the chief pilots office, letters in files, docked pay, etc.

 

[Floatplane]

Here at my airline (another way ALPA sold out junior pilots) you can start a reserve time at say 10 am and then get called for a trip that leaves at 7 pm which is international where we have an 18 hour duty day limit. The thing is, that 18 hour clock resets when you show up (no credit for the previous 9 hours you were on call and this is for reserves only) for the trip! So if the flight is then delayed 10 hours your still legal to do it as long as the block time is less then 18 hours. If you end up calling in fatigued you get punished by the chief pilots office, letters in files, docked pay, etc.

You must work for Continental.