CAL Junior manning!

[100/hour/5y]

Just got called for a CPH.... Would I like to help the CO out??? FUPM

EWR 756 fo... 1 Reserve good for a 3 day on the 22nd... They pullled one FO out of ground school for tomorrow and sent a DUB and MAN down to IAH and made them into 4days!

Pairing [SIZE=-1]H3C38 has a duty day of 15hrs 50mins??? How is that a legally built pairing?[/SIZE]

FUPM

 

[ATA For Now!]

Same thing is happening at UA. F them. Bring back all the furloughees before anyone accepts any OT.

FUPM!

 

[Instigator]

Same thing is happening at UA.
FUPM!

Let us truly be UNITED. Share and feel the pain. THEY are out to screw ALL of us!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Mgmt thinks they can get flexibility in the new agreement by loosening scope. I say burn the place down. Pay us, we DEMAND our work rules be restored, and SCOPE OUT THE RJS!!!

 

[ATRCA]

CAL has been JR manning for 3 years now without pause. It ain't gonna end anytime soon. This is how CAL operates. Pilots seem to think of JM'ing as something that is special or out of bounds with regard to staffing. The company looks at is the same way they view calling a reserve in to fly a trip. A reserve and a JM pilot are the same thing to them. JM'ing is a way of life here........

It's unfortunate but until JM'ing is a contract violation, it will continue unabated.

 

[Raoul Duke]

It is a way of life everywhere - once or twice a year is not a big deal. Once or twice a month is a little over the top - unless you are at a regional and then once or twice a day will teach you to appreciate how nice it is to not work at a regional once you leve.

 

[Skippy]

at the U, we can deny JA can CAL? bet you want that, huh?

 

[catIIIc]

yes we can deny a JM at CAL

 

[jonjuan]

Let us truly be UNITED. Share and feel the pain. THEY are out to screw ALL of us!

Who are "THEY"? The top half of the seniority list that often says yes to OT? If so, your unity is grouped around. The closer one gets to 65, they less they seem to care.

 

[Caveman]

JM at any airline is a voluntary event. Don't want to fly? Just tell them you aren't safe to fly because you recently had a beer or you stayed up too late last night. They can mark it down any way they want but there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. We are under no responsibility to be rested and sober 24/7 just in case they might call for a JM.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I'm never rested AND sober. It's one or the other.

 

[100/hour/5y]

Today, I tried trading my late UK trip tonight for an early AMS, 9 hours out....

ANSWER WAS NO, do to no reserves to cover my late show trip....

SO... I called back later and called in sick... FUPM

 

[BeachBummer]

I had my cell turned off, so they (crew services) called my house... they wanted to know where I was and asked if I could make a 5hr call out. No... because you are stupid to ask where I am.

Same circus different clowns.

 

[nimtz]

JM at any airline is a voluntary event. Don't want to fly? Just tell them you aren't safe to fly because you recently had a beer or you stayed up too late last night. They can mark it down any way they want but there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. We are under no responsibility to be rested and sober 24/7 just in case they might call for a JM.

Sensible argument. The problem is that many in the prestigious CAL pilot group are either one or a combination of the following:

1) Greedy SOB's

2) Have no life outside of the job

3) Truly believe it's not the company's fault if there is weather. The
schedule has to be maintained at all costs.

4) Terrified of the repercussions of chief pilot harassment call

Thus 147 stay furloughed at the moment...

 

[Billsflyer]

Would love to be able to be part of the solution. Please recall us soon, that way be can put this JMing issue to rest for a while.

Cheers

PS - Are they still saying recall in the next couple of weeks. Notice lots of new planes this month and next.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Sensible argument. The problem is that many in the prestigious CAL pilot group are either one or a combination of the following:

1) Greedy SOB's

2) Have no life outside of the job

3) Truly believe it's not the company's fault if there is weather. The
schedule has to be maintained at all costs.

4) Terrified of the repercussions of chief pilot harassment call

Thus 147 stay furloughed at the moment...

Didn't we recall 15 guys?

 

[Ex737Driver]

Just say no.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Didn't we recall 15 guys?

ON PAPER...As a result the furlough mitigation measures went away.

Any furloughed fellas get a call yet?


...Didn't think so.

 

[nimtz]

Didn't we recall 15 guys?

Sure, but are they working right now?

 

[Hutchman]

ON PAPER...As a result the furlough mitigation measures went away.

What exactly does the above mean? I am unaware of any change as a result of the recall of 15 pilots. Nothing changes until all are recalled. We are nowhere near any limit at this time anyway. 40+ VRF's for iah 737 fo's in Aug.

 

[densoo]

JM and CA's flying as FOs certainly hurts, but that's not why there are furloughs. This is why:

- Take a look at the line awards in your (or any) BES. Vacation waive and DH waive during the monthly bidding process by everyday line pilots, each and every month, adds up to hundreds, maybe a thousand hours. Read down the "total credit" per pilot. Dozens getting 100+ pay credit month after month.

- Open time pickup.

- Pay credits built into the 90 hour range. UAL by the way caps pay at 89 hours of pay, if I read the contract right. You can wiave credit and pick up open time to beat the band, but you'll only get paid 89 hours. And if you go over, you have to drop a trip or portion thereof the next month to average it back down. This dampens the open pickup issue as well.

The first two items are instantaneously correctable. Pilots make the choice every day, and every month when they bid. The last item is part of C02. Not much can be done about it now, but it's still something 58% voted for.

So, unfortunately, it's all about the pilots. The only "hope" is that the company will play the merger poorly and the pilots will stop helping them/hurting us so much.

 

[mamba20]

Thank you ALPO and the scabs for allowing these workrules. I should start a thread of why I throw my ALPO magazine directly in my garbage from my mailbox.

 

[mamba20]

JM and CA's flying as FOs certainly hurts, but that's not why there are furloughs. This is why:

- Take a look at the line awards in your (or any) BES. Vacation waive and DH waive during the monthly bidding process by everyday line pilots, each and every month, adds up to hundreds, maybe a thousand hours. Read down the "total credit" per pilot. Dozens getting 100+ pay credit month after month.

- Open time pickup.

- Pay credits built into the 90 hour range. UAL by the way caps pay at 89 hours of pay, if I read the contract right. You can wiave credit and pick up open time to beat the band, but you'll only get paid 89 hours. And if you go over, you have to drop a trip or portion thereof the next month to average it back down. This dampens the open pickup issue as well.

The first two items are instantaneously correctable. Pilots make the choice every day, and every month when they bid. The last item is part of C02. Not much can be done about it now, but it's still something 58% voted for.

So, unfortunately, it's all about the pilots. The only "hope" is that the company will play the merger poorly and the pilots will stop helping them/hurting us so much.

As long as we have pilots from New York Air and the other scabs nothing will change. We work for an airline that rewards scumbags.

 

[densoo]

As long as we have pilots from New York Air and the other scabs nothing will change. We work for an airline that rewards scumbags.

Take a look at the August line awards in your BES. It ain't them. It's pilots in every year group, from every background, and in your new hire class.

 

[j3ben]

Today, I tried trading my late UK trip tonight for an early AMS, 9 hours out....

ANSWER WAS NO, do to no reserves to cover my late show trip....

SO... I called back later and called in sick... FUPM

Good for you! I am sure their denial made you ill. Not your fault!!

 

[A19]

Take a look at the August line awards in your BES. It ain't them. It's pilots in every year group, from every background, and in your new hire class.

I could not agree with you more. In fact the vast majority are G and M numbers, the most recent hires. I expect it from a SCAB, not from guys that came from regionals. MAKES ME SICK! At least when the furloughs come back I can look them in the eye with a clear conscious and tell them I did not pick up an hour of open time while they were out.

 

[mamba20]

I stand corrected. To me, this is just another reason to hate ALPA. Its their fault that this is allowed to happen. They sold us a contract that allows it. F ALPA, not the scabs, hell ALPA allowed them back into the union. I think that speaks volumes about ALPA. I'm almost to the point where I hate ALPA more then scabs.

Mark my words, they (ALPA) will sell us out yet again with the JCBA to come.

 

[Scrapdog]

I could not agree with you more. In fact the vast majority are G and M numbers, the most recent hires. I expect it from a SCAB, not from guys that came from regionals. MAKES ME SICK! At least when the furloughs come back I can look them in the eye with a clear conscious and tell them I did not pick up an hour of open time while they were out.

I am an M and never came from a regional bro.

 

[A19]

I am an M and never came from a regional bro.

I was making a point that these guys should know better. Nothing about ex/current military guys. The real point is that guys are picking up open time with our brothers and sisters on furlough. Just traded a two day and a day trip for a three day and low and behold the day trip was straight picked up by a G number.

 

[jonjuan]

I was making a point that these guys should know better. Nothing about ex/current military guys. The real point is that guys are picking up open time with our brothers and sisters on furlough. Just traded a two day and a day trip for a three day and low and behold the day trip was straight picked up by a G number.

So no ex military guys are picking these trips up? Or are you saying that they shouldn't be expected to know any better? Not quite sure here.