Falcon 50 vs Citation X

[Arvin]

Anyone flown both and have comparison notes?

 

[BoilerUP]

Haven't flown either, but have done a fairly in-depth comparison between the two.

The X will fly farther going faster & higher than a straight Falcon 50. As an example, if flown 0.82-0.85M the X will burn 12-15% less gas than the Falcon at 0.80M.

The Falcon has a bigger cabin, more baggage, three engines, and uses less runway while having superior climb performance.

 

[guido411]

Haven't flown either, but have done a fairly in-depth comparison between the two.

The X will fly farther going faster & higher than a straight Falcon 50. As an example, if flown 0.82-0.85M the X will burn 12-15% less gas than the Falcon at 0.80M.

The Falcon has a bigger cabin, more baggage, three engines, and uses less runway while having superior climb performance.

I don't have a horse in this race but curious to the X drivers that respond, how often are X guys flying at 0.82-0.85? How does the fuel burn compare to the Falcon when both are at HSC?

 

[BoilerUP]

I don't have a horse in this race but curious to the X drivers that respond, how often are X guys flying at 0.82-0.85?

From what I gather, next to never unless trying to make range...but you've got the flexibility to put the hammer down and do 0.90+ or pull it back to a speed still faster than normal cruise in many and HSC in some airframes while burning less fuel.

Seems like many operators I've talked to have an operational "sweet spot" around 0.87M, burning somewhere in the ballpark of 1800pph.

How does the fuel burn compare to the Falcon when both are at HSC?

That's a good question, something I'd be curious to know as well.

 

[SNAFU22]

0.86M to 0.88M is normal above FL400 with burns around 920 p/side. Typically we only see 0.90+ around FL380.

Cheers!

 

[cessnaxdriver]

0.86M to 0.88M is normal above FL400 with burns around 920 p/side. Typically we only see 0.90+ around FL380.

Cheers!

I agree with Snafu, I usually run .85 across the Pond and .90 + around the USA. Never flew the Falcon so can't compare

 

[cherry20's]

0.86M to 0.88M is normal above FL400 with burns around 920 p/side. Typically we only see 0.90+ around FL380.

Cheers!

I never see less than .88-.89 at FL400, maybe above 450... Usuaully cruising (max cruise) at .90 FL400-450. Gotta picture at 49k still doing .86!

Hey Arvin, How's the new(ish) job going man? I got lots of numbers on the X if you need some specifics... Why you comparing anyway? Just helping out some friends or something?

Hope all is well man!

 

[cherry20's]

I don't have a horse in this race but curious to the X drivers that respond, how often are X guys flying at 0.82-0.85? How does the fuel burn compare to the Falcon when both are at HSC?

Never fly that slow except when ATC slows us down behind the airliners! Go to Hawaii still doing .88-.90 on the days I've done it... 1800-2000 PPH is normal at max speed cruise, depending on altitude.

What does the Falcon 50 do?

 

[BoilerUP]

Never fly that slow except when ATC slows us down behind the airliners!

91, 91K or 135?

 

[cherry20's]

91, 91K or 135?

91k and 135, why? Its more efficient to fly the X fast if thats what your getting at.