Pilot vs Flight attendant fatigue policies

[air cowboy]

How does your airline's pilot fatigue policy compare to your airline's FA fatigue policy? Same?
I did a search and couldn't find this topic discussed.

 

[mamba20]

At CAL there is no such thing.

 

[air cowboy]

At CAL there is no such thing.

Do you mean no fatigue policy for either group?

 

[SuperFLUF]

Do you mean no fatigue policy for either group?

No fatigue policy for flight attendants.

 

[mamba20]

No fatigue policy for flight attendants.

We don't have one either. Just ask the growing number of pilots who are dropping dead in the cockpit.

 

[Raoul Duke]

can you really be too tired to open a soda can?

 

[Patriot328]

No fatigue policy for flight attendants.

Our flight attendants would stomp on their ranch cats if they weren't allowed to piggyback and work 200hrs a month. They don't care about fatigue..

 

[air cowboy]

can you really be too tired to open a soda can?

apparently one regional thinks so. they temporarily gave the flight attendants the same policy as the pilots, and now they are saying they have to restrict and punish the fatique calls for pilots and fas (mostly because the fllight attendants completely abused the policy)

 

[Oh-ryan]

I find that they fatigue a lot sooner than I do... wait... what are we talking about here?

 

[labbats]

I wish they would align the fatigue and FAA rules a bit more. Every time an FA asks me what their regs are I have no clue.

 

[flyf15]

I wish they would align the fatigue and FAA rules a bit more. Every time an FA asks me what their regs are I have no clue.

Fatigue/rest for a flight attendant is much more of a labor agreement issue than a safety issue.

 

[Northern Lights]

I flew with an FA over Christmas who was doing 5 CDOs in a row followed by one day off and then 4 more CDOs! That looks like a recipe for fatigue.

Our pilots are limited to 4 CDOs and are required to have 2 full calendar days off before returning to work.

Also pilot's reserve time counts towards a duty day, whereas our FAs are on reserve 24/7 as far as I know.

 

[Raoul Duke]

I wish they would align the fatigue and FAA rules a bit more. Every time an FA asks me what their regs are I have no clue.

Just tell them they are legal, its not your job to do their job.

 

[scoreboardII]

Are you ever to tired to yell "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES"? I mean really?

 

[N813CA]

duty time requirements

AT CMR the FA's have better duty time requirements than the pilots

 

[Fins Up]

can you really be too tired to open a soda can?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Good stuff.

 

[pilotyip]

Our company has it in our Op Specs that FA's and Pilot's are on the same pilot duty/flt/rest scheduling. We do 121 charter, mostly sports teams.

 

[SuperFLUF]

Our company has it in our Op Specs that FA's and Pilot's are on the same pilot duty/flt/rest scheduling. We do 121 charter, mostly sports teams.

Back in the mid 90's the FAA made this the "law". And then proceeded to grant exemptions to all the major & regional airlines.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Does anyone remember the flight where they suspected it crashed because the flight attendants were fatigued?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Our company has it in our Op Specs that FA's and Pilot's are on the same pilot duty/flt/rest scheduling. We do 121 charter, mostly sports teams.

Did you forget your valuim today yip? They were referring to real airlines, not some scum sucking bottom feeders where you try and fire every guy that works for you for not flying some broken POS airplane!

 

[pilotyip]

Happy New Year?

Did you forget your valuim today yip? They were referring to real airlines, not some scum sucking bottom feeders where you try and fire every guy that works for you for not flying some broken POS airplane!

Does this mean we can't be friends? Speaking of Valium, have you tried changing your meds, they say after using the same one for while it may loose its effectiveness and a new sedative should be used. Having all this anger corked up inside is not healthy, however if using me as a sounding board makes you feel better I understand, and you can call on me any time you feel you need some more counseling over the phone. BTW I speeled Valium correctly, could this be another sign of your instablility?

 

[akseiner]

does anyone remember the flight where they suspected it crashed because the flight attendants were fatigued?

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[lowlycfi]

When I was a F/A fatigue was never a factor because we had a contract that was better than what the FARs provided. Here's an excerpt:

A Flight Attendant shall not be scheduled to be on duty for more than ten and one-half (10:30) consecutive hours nor will she/he be required to remain on duty in excess of twelve and one-half (12:30) hours.

A duty period shall run continuously unless broken by an overnight rest period that is scheduled for eleven (11) hours from block to block.

Now if we could just de-certify ALPA and go with TWU maybe we could get language like this.......

 

[Sandhawk]

Does this mean we can't be friends? Speaking of Valium, have you tried changing your meds, they say after using the same one for while it may loose its effectiveness and a new sedative should be used. BTW I speeled Valium correctly, could this be another sign of your instablility?

LOSE / LOOSE

:smash:

 

[SuperFLUF]

Does anyone remember the flight where they suspected it crashed because the flight attendants were fatigued?

How is that even possible?

So because they don't fly the plane they should have to work fatigued?
Or are you just "better" than them? Perhaps you prefer to call them "coke servers"?

Ever heard of door slides being blown at the gate because a flight attendant was fatigued?

 

[SpauldingSmails]

How is that even possible?

So because they don't fly the plane they should have to work fatigued?
Or are you just "better" than them? Perhaps you prefer to call them "coke servers"?

Ever heard of door slides being blown at the gate because a flight attendant was fatigued?

What the heck are you talking about? The coke servers is not the issue here, Dude. I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you DO NOT... Also, Dude, coke server is not the preferred nomenclature. Aisle-Donkey, please.

Lighten up FLUF.

Let me interject a little reality here as well. I don't think FAs should have to work fatigued, but what I or you think is of little or no consequence to airline policy-making. Airlines, as money making enterprises, would likely reject your example concerning a blown slide due to fatigue for a few reasons.

One, the limit of liability that would come out of a blown slide/slide related fatality would probably be less than the cost of hiring additional FAs to cover "fatigue calls". Blown slides happen with a fair amount of regularity and usually with little consequence.

Two, there has never been a specific cited accident that was as a result of FA fatigue.

Finally, we just heard of a another airline (albeit a scumbag co.) who just canceled their FA fatigue program due to abuse.

So why would an airline voluntarily put in place a fatigue program for FA's that has no proven efficacy in preventing accidents, costs money, and is prone to abuse?

 

[pilotyip]

college degree

LOSE / LOOSE

:smash:

hey I ahve couple college degrees waht can I say?