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Could new work and duty rules bump the need for pilots?

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Exactly! That's all that's going to come out of this. Spending an extra night a week in a hotel or crashpad. That's how the government "fixes" things. For those who think this will be a pay, or hiring bonanza, wake up and join us in the real world!
 
I have been in 4 different domiciles in 1 1/2 years. Downgraded.....displaced.....furloughed...recalled...No way of buying/selling houses and moving. I will commute until I am senior enough to hold a base for good. The way it's going, that will be never
 
I think it could be a good thing which could lead to more productive schedules and less airport appreciation time if implemented correctly.

9 block hours if less than 4 legs.
Max scheduled duty day should be limited to 12 hours
Max duty not to exceed 14 instead of 16.
minimum 8 hours in hotel room or 10 hours on the ground.
Circadian rythem/sleep cycle respect. (No early shows then late shows then early shows)


Higher block hours could lead to less days at work. Commuters might get screwed on this since the FO on the colgan crash commuted from Seattle to fly her trip.
 
You'll see a very large backlash from the commuters, and it may have a very nasty side-effect for the airlines.

Most contracts have a "minimum day off" stipulation. If a commuting day would now count towards duty time, it's not a day off. Remember, Duty or "on call" is not rest - Whitlow interpretation. Therefore, a day off is ONLY one on which you did not fly OR commute, if commuting is now counted as duty.

So what happens to the guy who holds a 14 day off line, 16 days on, 4 4-day trips, uncommutable on BOTH sides for this rule? He just got chopped to 6 days off. Oh,,, wait,,, contract says 12 calendar days off minimum for lineholders.

2 choices: build all trips commutable, or remove me from one of my 4-days and pay protect me to bring me back up to 12 days off minimum. HUGE increase in staffing levels required.

Remember what I said in a thread a few months ago... EVERY SINGLE TIME you change a reg, there's fallout about 3 or 4 levels deep that NO ONE thought of when creating/modifying the reg.
 
You'll see a very large backlash from the commuters, and it may have a very nasty side-effect for the airlines.

Most contracts have a "minimum day off" stipulation. If a commuting day would now count towards duty time, it's not a day off. Remember, Duty or "on call" is not rest - Whitlow interpretation. Therefore, a day off is ONLY one on which you did not fly OR commute, if commuting is now counted as duty.

So what happens to the guy who holds a 14 day off line, 16 days on, 4 4-day trips, uncommutable on BOTH sides for this rule? He just got chopped to 6 days off. Oh,,, wait,,, contract says 12 calendar days off minimum for lineholders.

2 choices: build all trips commutable, or remove me from one of my 4-days and pay protect me to bring me back up to 12 days off minimum. HUGE increase in staffing levels required.

Remember what I said in a thread a few months ago... EVERY SINGLE TIME you change a reg, there's fallout about 3 or 4 levels deep that NO ONE thought of when creating/modifying the reg.


"2 choices"??? If you try to throw the CBA at them, they will do as I said above: Shut off CASS and revoke your pass benies....and then you'll see the large backlash from commuters.
 
I have been in 4 different domiciles in 1 1/2 years. Downgraded.....displaced.....furloughed...recalled...No way of buying/selling houses and moving. I will commute until I am senior enough to hold a base for good. The way it's going, that will be never

Amen!

2 words: Home Basing bitches. Ok 3
 
"2 choices"??? If you try to throw the CBA at them, they will do as I said above: Shut off CASS and revoke your pass benies....and then you'll see the large backlash from commuters.
They could try...

Don't think it would get them very far. Shutting off CASS and revoking pass benefits is akin to "cutting off your nose to spite your face". You're saying they'd DELIBERATELY cut off 70% of their pilot force from being able to get to work?

No other way to say it, after 17+ years in the business, I completely disagree with you.
 
So somebody that commutes on plane has to fly in the day before? What about a pilot that drives 6 hours to the airport, does that count as duty? Driving is more tiring than non-reving.
 
You'll see a very large backlash from the commuters, and it may have a very nasty side-effect for the airlines.

Most contracts have a "minimum day off" stipulation. If a commuting day would now count towards duty time, it's not a day off. Remember, Duty or "on call" is not rest - Whitlow interpretation. Therefore, a day off is ONLY one on which you did not fly OR commute, if commuting is now counted as duty.

So what happens to the guy who holds a 14 day off line, 16 days on, 4 4-day trips, uncommutable on BOTH sides for this rule? He just got chopped to 6 days off. Oh,,, wait,,, contract says 12 calendar days off minimum for lineholders.

2 choices: build all trips commutable, or remove me from one of my 4-days and pay protect me to bring me back up to 12 days off minimum. HUGE increase in staffing levels required.

Remember what I said in a thread a few months ago... EVERY SINGLE TIME you change a reg, there's fallout about 3 or 4 levels deep that NO ONE thought of when creating/modifying the reg.

Sorry but Whitlow would not apply. First, Whitlow would more than likely be out the window as the rule that Whitlow interprets would more than likely change...making Whitlow moot. Second, even if Whitlow were to somehow stay applicable, Whitlow says nothing about how your contract would be interpreted. In fact, "established-past-practice" would tend to favor your commute not being counted.

I doubt any rule about commuting will have a long-term impact on pay/hiring at least at the major level. Real Estate prices in Memphis/Louisville...now I think there may be something there.
 

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