Republic Airlines to Operate Embraer 190AR Jets for Midwest Airlines

[DCMartin]

lhttp://www.earthtimes.org/articles/...-190ar-jets-for-midwest-airlines,834602.shtml

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Um doesn't the 100-seat E-190 outnumber Midwest mainline's 717 seating? Soon there will be regional 777 and 787s too... Not to knock it at all, at least JBLU put the 190 in the same airline... I'm hopeful as of June 1 we'll see much, much better pay rates for those guys too...

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Blue,

Hopefully their payrates won't be used against you guys. Pretty sad stuff.

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/republic.html

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Wonder if they will fly though ATL. Not in and out but through. It has been a fear of mine with this whole MEH mess.

 

[waterski45]

Blue,

Hopefully their payrates won't be used against you guys. Pretty sad stuff.

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/republic.html

Very sad.


Especially the FO rates.

 

[CitationLover]

a further travesty. learn from our contractual mistakes.

The Republic pilots will happily lap up this flying.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Like a sporting event, is there some sort of a skunk rule? Management sure is routing airline labor.

 

[Taildragon]

Darn, and I was hoping to get recalled this summer.


































no not really

 

[9rj9]

How long before old Delta sells out (on scope) and uses republic for(100 seat) lift.?? What will they trade it for this time?

 

[Metro752]

How long before old Delta sells out and uses republic for lift.??

Delta Shuttle is also now flown by Republic as well as many other Delta flights.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Wonder if they will fly though ATL. Not in and out but through. It has been a fear of mine with this whole MEH mess.

They don't have a hub in ATL, so no feed except to fly back to MKE.

 

[goahead]

Would all mainline carriers stop selling out scope!!!!!
Seriously.... No more 900's, E-190's, 175's, etc.... nothing
I know nothing has changed at DAL/NWA and other carriers that have what's left of their scope, but as ACL said it could happen. No one will ever get to the majors if this continues, every a/c will be flown by a damn regional, which I work for. Let this be a wake up call.

Let it rip....

 

[jetflier]

Delta Shuttle is also now flown by Republic as well as many other Delta flights.

Not Good ...

 

[General Lee]

Not Good ...

No, it isn't. The LGA-DCA deal was explained to me that the Amtrack Acella has really cut into Shuttle numbers (both USAir and DL), and USAir has A319s doing those legs which is a better fit than the MD88. Now that we have NWA planes that are smaller (DC9 or A319), that problem could be addressed. The BOS to LGA legs are still full on the MD88s. IF the loads actually are lower due to the success of the trains, what do you do? I guess lower the prices, which is what we just did. Those are slot controlled fields (DCA and LGA), and it is good to keep those slots. I wish the E175s weren't on them, though.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[goahead]

I wish the E175s weren't on them, though.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I agree, however enough of us don't.

 

[General Lee]

I agree, however enough of us don't.

Have we had a recent vote on the issue? Nope. I think we should. With the addition of the NWA guys who have always been a bit more militant (I say that in a good way), maybe our MEC can wake up and see what the majority of us want. More pay is great, but not at the expense of lost scope.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[~~~^~~~]

Well General, we had several recent votes that asked our LEC(s) to request our MEC simply study recapturing flying and the potential for Compass.


The MEC in turn resolved not to even study recapturing the E175's at Compass.

I understand the problem of having to compete with Republic for E175 rates, but, the 12 extra seats Delta / Compass could operate would help make up the revenue difference to pay pilots more, if these airplanes were at mainline.

At some point we just got to bite the bullet and make it a priority.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I know these jet will be going to the West Coast to start out. What I fear is where they will go when they cannot compete with WN and AAI on the same route.

 

[StarChecker]

Um doesn't the 100-seat E-190 outnumber Midwest mainline's 717 seating? Soon there will be regional 777 and 787s too... Not to knock it at all, at least JBLU put the 190 in the same airline... I'm hopeful as of June 1 we'll see much, much better pay rates for those guys too...

What exactly is there to prevent JetBlue from doing this?


Nothing.


Without the Scope clause of a CBA....we are defenseless against anyone flying our 190's or our 320's.

In fact...it's already happening. Everyday. It happens everyday at JetBlue and there isn't a pilot group on the planet that would stand for it. Contract pilots flying our airplanes on repo flights. But we have no choice....NO SCOPE CLAUSE.

Don't think it can't happen here....Mesa flying our 190's for $25/hour. There's NOTHING to stop it from happening.

 

[General Lee]

I know these jet will be going to the West Coast to start out. What I fear is where they will go when they cannot compete with WN and AAI on the same route.

They will NOT fly to ATL and then onto a DL city under a Delta codeshare. We do have the ability to say NO to that. Also, they are flying E170s from MKE to LAX via MCI. The E190 can make it nonstop. I see them putting it on longer segments that the 717 can't make profitably. (maybe SEA, SFO, PHX, etc)

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Well General, we had several recent votes that asked our LEC(s) to request our MEC simply study recapturing flying and the potential for Compass.


The MEC in turn resolved not to even study recapturing the E175's at Compass.

I understand the problem of having to compete with Republic for E175 rates, but, the 12 extra seats Delta / Compass could operate would help make up the revenue difference to pay pilots more, if these airplanes were at mainline.

At some point we just got to bite the bullet and make it a priority.

Fins,

Don't think that a lot of us don't want to make it a priority. The last deal was done under the radar. If that happens again, I think Moak will get smacked. The addition of the NWA guys will hopefully make our MEC a bit more militant, which is what we NEED when it comes to scope.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I agree that it cannot happen currently. It does not mean that the pressure cannot be exerted.
We have a real bad track record.

I would hope that the outcry last time proved to our MEC that everyone is over selling scope for anything.

 

[relief tube]

Not Good ...

true, but those flights (LGA-DCA) werent full, the md80 sucks gas, and our government subsidized AMtrak is more at fault.

 

[BrickTop]

a further travesty. learn from our contractual mistakes.

The Republic pilots will happily lap up this flying.

You know, when the boys at the top sell out the jobs at the bottom (like ALPA has done) and run themselves into an inability to retire from their ridiculous living standards it's no wonder with no movement at the bottom that we sell out our future potential just to keep what jobs we have.

 

[BID]

Continental Airlines with its crappy contract has not given any scope relief.

I recently read an article that talked about United putting 70 seat rjs in place of out going 737s.

I have seen Delta md90s go away and replaced with 76 seat rjs.

and now this, amazing.

 

[CitationLover]

Continental Airlines with its crappy contract has not given any scope relief.

I recently read an article that talked about United putting 70 seat rjs in place of out going 737s.

I have seen Delta md90s go away and replaced with 76 seat rjs.

and now this, amazing.

You can brag about Continental all you want, but they are not immune. The United Alliance will lead to an international "code-share" and bypass you quite easily. Congress? Where art thou?

 

[bluefin]

Continental Airlines with its crappy contract has not given any scope relief.

I recently read an article that talked about United putting 70 seat rjs in place of out going 737s.

I have seen Delta md90s go away and replaced with 76 seat rjs.

and now this, amazing.

Wow! that's really happening at United? where the hell have you been? Did you know with that move over 1000+ pilots have been laid-off? some for a second time? and rj's and emb's have been taking up the slack.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Um doesn't the 100-seat E-190 outnumber Midwest mainline's 717 seating? Soon there will be regional 777 and 787s too... Not to knock it at all, at least JBLU put the 190 in the same airline... I'm hopeful as of June 1 we'll see much, much better pay rates for those guys too...

glug,glug,glug....keep drinking that Kool-Aid.

 

[General Lee]

Continental Airlines with its crappy contract has not given any scope relief.

I recently read an article that talked about United putting 70 seat rjs in place of out going 737s.

I have seen Delta md90s go away and replaced with 76 seat rjs.

and now this, amazing.

Hey, we got 3 MD90s today according to the Deltanet. Let's hope we dump some 76 seaters in the future, along with the 100 50 seaters we parked over the last year.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Raoul Duke]

the term of the leases are very short for an aircraft lease. GE must have had some extra AC. Were these aircraft that were deferred from Jblu or airways?