Any news for CAL furloughees?

[CapnVegetto]

I don't know for sure, but my buddy feels pretty much certain that the furloughees will be back before the summer simply because he thinks there is no way in hell CAL will get through their summer schedule as short as they are.

 

[T Bone]

Anyone know how many of our pilots decided not to take all of their vacation? We need to start posting names.

I have yet to hear a Captain say much of anything about the 147 or don't pick up open time. Just take a look at any given day how fast trips are picked up on both f/o and cap side. Love the excuses too, my dog had to goto the vet so I picked up this trip. F' that, seems that the scab legacy goes way beyond those with a letter at the end of their employee number.

The best thing about coex was the people, the worst thing about cal is the people. Time for this pilot group to stand up and grow a pair. Rant over.

 

[SFR]

The CAL people are great. You must be stupid. I have never flown with a better group. If people want to pick up open time, oh well. I don't because I am on reserve, and I would not if I had a line. That being said, I could care less if some pilot picks up open time. That is life! If you want fair you should choose a different job, planet, species.....

If you don't like CAL then quit. I don't care what you do. Go to DAL or something!

 

[rattler]

Really, Home Depot employees make $120K/ year in their 3rd year

Just currious what aircraft and how many hours a month does a CAL pilot have to fly to make $120K-year on the year 3 pay scale.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Exactly, I'm guessing it's another login for Poco. Don't believe anything that scab, bragging, idiot who tries only to piss off others.

 

[T Bone]

The CAL people are great. You must be stupid. I have never flown with a better group. If people want to pick up open time, oh well. I don't because I am on reserve, and I would not if I had a line. That being said, I could care less if some pilot picks up open time.

Your other airline must have really sucked if you have never flown with a better pilot group. You should care if someone is picking up Open time, especially if you are on reserve or maybe you will be the next on the street. I would like you to tell my friend who is furloughed that it is ok to pick up open time. The way we give scabs a pass at this airline is ridiculous, the way we treat are furloughs is down right offensive.

 

[list2002]

I think SFR is on reserve by choice. And will not waver from the "got mine" mentality. And you can tell by line 2 of her post that she is not one of reason.

 

[SFR]

Yes, reserve by choice. I came from ASA. Same story there, lots of complainers. I had no complaints because it was a means to an end. I left Eagle for a quick upgrade there and that is it. Fellow ASAers (most of them PFT folks) would complain as they sit on reserve as 2nd year RJ captains while my classmates at Eagle were 4th year RJ FOs on reserve.

People thought I was crazy at ASA for saying that I was happy. I was called to do informational picketing in 2005 and said no for 2 reasons. 1) I think that was useless and 2) I was happy there loggin PIC while my Eagle folks still were loggin their 10,000th hour of SIC.

 

[SMOE]

I don't know for sure, but my buddy feels pretty much certain that the furloughees will be back before the summer simply because he thinks there is no way in hell CAL will get through their summer schedule as short as they are.

Interesting point brought up on CALforums today. The company can ADD hours to the LTVRF and VRF guys as necessary. Using that option, they will be able add misery to the schedules just to cover the lines and not recall us.

 

[SMOE]

Yes, reserve by choice. I came from ASA. Same story there, lots of complainers. I had no complaints because it was a means to an end. I left Eagle for a quick upgrade there and that is it. Fellow ASAers (most of them PFT folks) would complain as they sit on reserve as 2nd year RJ captains while my classmates at Eagle were 4th year RJ FOs on reserve.

People thought I was crazy at ASA for saying that I was happy. I was called to do informational picketing in 2005 and said no for 2 reasons. 1) I think that was useless and 2) I was happy there loggin PIC while my Eagle folks still were loggin their 10,000th hour of SIC.

Translation: "F*ck you! I got mine, who's with me?"

 

[SMOE]

Anyone know how many of our pilots decided not to take all of their vacation? We need to start posting names.

I have yet to hear a Captain say much of anything about the 147 or don't pick up open time. Just take a look at any given day how fast trips are picked up on both f/o and cap side. Love the excuses too, my dog had to goto the vet so I picked up this trip. F' that, seems that the scab legacy goes way beyond those with a letter at the end of their employee number.

The best thing about coex was the people, the worst thing about cal is the people. Time for this pilot group to stand up and grow a pair. Rant over.

That's the head-in-the-sand syndrome so many CAL pilots suffer from (like SFR): "Hey, my life is good, don't mess with it! And, no, I'm not going out of my way to help anyone else, and I don't care what goes on in the pilot group if it doesn't affect my pay!"

 

[SFR]

You better not mess with my reserve system. I don't care about the lines.

I better go, gotta meeting with a Super Scab today for my scab in training class. I am almost done with that class, take the final next week.

For anyone interested we have a mock picket line crossing at Greenspoint Mall on Jan 16th at 10am. We have hired actors to actually yell and throw spit. Should be a real blast.

 

[T Bone]

SFR, your anti-union attitude is surprising and disappointing. Keep it up, I know who you are and what goes around comes around.

 

[skywdriver]

That being said, I could care less if some pilot picks up open time. That is life! If you want fair you should choose a different job.

Hey thanks for that classy post in a thread trying to give furloughees information. If you could care less about guys getting on property, thats your choice to have the "i am so great to still have a job, i am better than all those morons who stayed at Eagle while i racked up my PIC time at ASA, I am so much better than all those idiots who got hired after me at CAL and got laid off" attitude, but don't rub it in my face. Keep your pathetic ideas to yourself or start a new thread on your "******************************bag" mentality regarding fellow aviators. Thanks in advance!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You better not mess with my reserve system. I don't care about the lines.

I better go, gotta meeting with a Super Scab today for my scab in training class. I am almost done with that class, take the final next week.

For anyone interested we have a mock picket line crossing at Greenspoint Mall on Jan 16th at 10am. We have hired actors to actually yell and throw spit. Should be a real blast.

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[whymeworry?]

Just currious what aircraft and how many hours a month does a CAL pilot have to fly to make $120K-year on the year 3 pay scale.

I got lucky with the 3yr upgrade, B737; would've made more but was F/O for first few months of the year.

 

[whymeworry?]

Exactly, I'm guessing it's another login for Poco. Don't believe anything that scab, bragging, idiot who tries only to piss off others.

Was tht meant at me? How is $120K bragging? Our payrates are published on the net, public information. It's no secret. I was just showing "pokemyhole" how stupid she is for constantly taking shots at CAL pilots.

I still did $85k my second year as WB F/O. But I guess that's bragging too, eh?

 

[Jonny Sacko]

You're my hero too. You two must be brothers.

 

[skywdriver]

Was tht meant at me? How is $120K bragging? Our payrates are published on the net, public information. It's no secret. I was just showing "pokemyhole" how stupid she is for constantly taking shots at CAL pilots.

I still did $85k my second year as WB F/O. But I guess that's bragging too, eh?

Guess how much money I am going to make at CAL this year??? Zip, unless someone has some information and we get back online. Now, back to the topic of the post.

 

[list2002]

lmao! Well said.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Guess how much money I am going to make at CAL this year??? Zip, unless someone has some information and we get back online. Now, back to the topic of the post.

Well said....these guys are idiots. I made this I made that......wtf?

 

[whymeworry?]

The point of my replies is not to "brag" about what I made or didn't make. In fact, I don't see what we make as anything to brag about compared to my peers in other industries (Doctor buddy of mine averages $500K a year and works 3.5 days per week. Wall St buddy makes $2.5 mil a year and even got a bonus after his bank was bailed out). The point was to remind pokemyhole what a moron she is for "laughing" at the newer CAL pilots by suggesting HD would be a viable alternative.

She bases all her arguements on 1st year pay, which does indeed suck. But she fails to recognize that the first year goes pretty quick. After that things start ramping up rather quickly.

I'm rather surprised I have to explain myself here.

Back to the topic at hand. If I upset or offended anyone who is on furlough, I apologize. That was not my intent. I can only imagine how tough it must be to look for work in today's environment. I have supported you all our furloughees by bidding a LTVRF line, paying the medical assessment, and contributing a tidy sum to the secrect santa campaign. And I will do anything necessary to help get you back on property ASAP!

 

[skywdriver]

The point of my replies is not to "brag" about what I made or didn't make. In fact, I don't see what we make as anything to brag about compared to my peers in other industries (Doctor buddy of mine averages $500K a year and works 3.5 days per week. Wall St buddy makes $2.5 mil a year and even got a bonus after his bank was bailed out). The point was to remind pokemyhole what a moron she is for "laughing" at the newer CAL pilots by suggesting HD would be a viable alternative.

She bases all her arguements on 1st year pay, which does indeed suck. But she fails to recognize that the first year goes pretty quick. After that things start ramping up rather quickly.

I'm rather surprised I have to explain myself here.

Back to the topic at hand. If I upset or offended anyone who is on furlough, I apologize. That was not my intent. I can only imagine how tough it must be to look for work in today's environment. I have supported you all our furloughees by bidding a LTVRF line, paying the medical assessment, and contributing a tidy sum to the secrect santa campaign. And I will do anything necessary to help get you back on property ASAP!

Thanks for the post. I personally appreciate all that you have done - the medical, LTVRF, and the Christmas contribution. I didn't figure you were rubbing things in our face, but the thing is just give up on trying to make logical points to these morons. Nothing you say is going to change their minds. Their posts are obviously lacking any kind of rational analysis, most likely due to their lack of intelligence or lack of ability to do any kind of logical thinking. The best way to shut them up is not to try and change their minds, but to just ignore their ignorant posts. I wish I would have been so lucky to be hired 3 years ago; things have worked out well for you!!! I am hoping that when we get back on property, hiring will be as robust as is was when you got on. Cheers.

 

[lookin4better]

Back on track for this thread, any more details on possible recalls?

My guess is later in 2009 than earlier.... but one never knows.

 

[skywdriver]

I am guessing 2010, but 09 would be great! I think a lot depends on how much travel demand takes a hit in the next few months.

 

[skywdriver]

just got back from visiting some buddies, was talking to all the crews i flew with. i don't know where it is coming from, but i talked to several guys who said from a standards meeting that the plan WAS as of a month or so ago to begin recalls in the spring, with possible hiring after the summer. i don't know what would allow this, but that is what i have heard from a lot of people.

 

[CapnVegetto]

My buddy that works there says the same thing. According to him, they are pathetically understaffed now, and even with the furloughees back, the summer is going to be pure hell due to inadequate staffing. He maintains that CAL didn't need to furlough in the first place, and simply did it for contract posturing, and the furlough/displacement/retraining costs are going to end up being more than if they had just kept the pilots. On top of that, he seems to think that they'll be lucky to get 2/3 of the furloughees back. I don't know about hiring in the fall, but he seems to think they will. One thing is for sure, in about 2 1/2 years, when the age 65 hits and the retirements start, they will be hiring like holy hell because that will be combined with getting a bunch of new airframes. He tells me that when age 65 hits, CAL will lose 58% of its pilot group in 8 years. They are going to be getting some new airframes toward the end of the year, and most likely would be getting them now had it not been for the Boeing strike, so that's the only forseeable reason to hire IMO, but of course, I don't work there and everything I'm hearing is secondhand.

I will say this, though.....despite what's been on the message boards, rumor mills, etc....my buddy has almost always been right in his CAL predictions. I'm keeping my fingers crossed b/c he's trying to get me on there, and the sooner they start hiring again, the sooner I have a chance.

Good luck guys!! I hope ya'll are back there in the next couple of months.

 

[SFR]

SFR, your anti-union attitude is surprising and disappointing. Keep it up, I know who you are and what goes around comes around.

Yeah yeah, I know you too. Your previous airplane flown data gives it away.

You glad to be over here now? And besides, I will admit to this in person too.

 

[Furloughed80]

I have heard that pilots who had interviewed successfully but were not offered class dates are receiving e-mails stating they may be offered class dates in the fall. Apparently these pilots will not have to do the sim again, but will be required to come in for a “talk” before being assigned a class date.

Can anyone verify this?

 

[AAflyer]

Translation: "F*ck you! I got mine, who's with me?"

Ha ha, that is what I thought... Isn't he the married guy bragging about banging chicks all around Europe?

I guess every airline has there 2%...uke:

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