The Profession: What to do, Opportunity, and nowhere else to go but up(?).

[BoilerUP]

It's more than that nimrod.......And I don't mean more money I mean more will change......When your next in White Plains and there are 10 hawkers lined up in front of you with about 14 execs total on board between all ten planes. You won't have to say gee I wonder if it is fair that my passengers are paying about 30-40 percent of their ticket price in taxes WHILE THE RICH EXECS PAYS ABOUT 3 PERCENT

With a progressive tax based hoepfully put into place it will mean finally Corporate aviation will be forced to pay at least a portion of their fare share. This will help lift the burden the airlines are being forced to pay.

Corporate aviation is already paying our "fair share", thank you...although from your airline seat, you may not be able to see it.

Currently, non-airline Jet-A is taxed at $0.218/gal, whereas airline fuel is taxed at $0.043/gal. GA pays FIVE TIMES the fuel tax of airliners. A House FAA Reauthorization bill that was killed earlier this year would have increased GA fuel tax to $0.359/gal, a 65% increase, while airline fuel taxes remained the same at $0.043/gal. In that instance, GA would pay more than 8.3 times higher fuel tax than the airlines.

"B-bu-but the airlines use far more fuel and a higher fuel tax burden would be unfair to the already struggling airlines" you may say.

You use more, you pay more; that is the classic definition of "fair".

Security tax? Somebody has to pay for TSA to screen airline passengers. Passenger Facility Charge? GA pays that in the form of a ramp and/or overnight fee. Ticket taxes? Goes into the same Airport and Airway Trust Fund that fuel taxes goes into...along with the Segment Tax.

In 2005 (the most recent data available), airlines paid $885,843,000 in Jet-A fuel tax, and GA paid $281,002,000. GA took just 6.25% the fuel uplifed by airlines, yet paid 31.7% of their fuel tax.

No one can deny that airlines pay more into the Trust Fund...but no one can deny that the ATC system, in its current form, is designed to primarily support airline hub-and-spoke systems and move traffic in and out of those hub airports. Proof of this is that in 2006, airlines served only 3% of total airports in the US. Remember those taxes you talked about earlier, the same ones your airline passes along to your passengers and from which revenue goes into the Trust Fund? What airports do you think receive the lions share of those funds???

But keep chasing that bizav bogeyman that is responsible for all the ills of your airline and your career, saying how we're not paying "our fair share" and regurgitating spun SmartSkies statistics...

 

[Willy21]

BoilerUP found some facts. I wonder if the "man of truth can do the same?"

Why don't I leave this country? Just because I ask for your facts and you can't provide them I am the problem. Good luck with that one there buddy.

 

[Freight Dog]

Interesting reading Rez...

Tell ya what... all I see is a bunch of hot air. Frankie Lorenzo here has you by your proverbial cojones.

Why should any mainline pilot with any reasonable seniority vote NO on any concession deal and risk ending up like those of us from Aloha/ATA/Champion etc. - applying for $19/hour FO positions at commuters?

Now... you change how the pay is structured, and you just might that magic formula. Every captain seat REGARDLESS of seniority should pay X. Every FO seat should pay Y. You can have your seniority for schedule bidding, vacation, etc., but for pay... sorry, one payscale, two numbers - one for captains, one for FO's.

You see, managements have us by the nuts due to RLA still being in force and they know we won't 'break the law.' They also know that we loathe the thought of starting over and 'losing our precious seniority.'

Well, address the fear of starting over... and now you'll have some pilot groups start showing cojones.

The whole concept of national seniority will never work. Just look at the clowns at the new US Airways or the ongoing bickering between DAL/NWA... now try doing that with every airline pilot. It'll never fly.

You can address it with ridiculously simplifying the payscales... that about has the only reasonable chance of success.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

FD-

I agree with you....

What else you got....?

 

[Freight Dog]

Rez... what else do I NEED?

A receptive union leadership willing to think outside the box... ALPA? Fat chance....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez... what else do I NEED?

A receptive union leadership willing to think outside the box... ALPA? Fat chance....

Agreed! But what are you going to do about it? since when did an Air Line Pilot ever wait around for someone do to do something about the fundamentals?

It is not like tyou are waiting around for the fueler!

Good god man control your future! Quit acting like a welfare recipient!

MTFU!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Agreed! But what are you going to do about it? since when did an Air Line Pilot ever wait around for someone do to do something about the fundamentals?

...the first step is admitting you have a problem....Glad to see you are admitting that ALPA has a problem...Maybe there is hope for you yet....

It is not like tyou are waiting around for the fueler!

Good god man control your future! Quit acting like a welfare recipient!

MTFU!!

....your man Obama wouldn't appreciate you demeaning welfare recipients....This is the age of welfare and Obama is going to take care of all of us...just you watch.....

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Freight Dog]

Agreed! But what are you going to do about it? since when did an Air Line Pilot ever wait around for someone do to do something about the fundamentals?

It is not like tyou are waiting around for the fueler!

Good god man control your future! Quit acting like a welfare recipient!

MTFU!!

Rez... I hate to say it, but you are either in a major state of denial about ALPA, or you are one of ALPA fat cats who is so out of touch with membership that it's getting to be tragicomical.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez... I hate to say it, but you are either in a major state of denial about ALPA, or you are one of ALPA fat cats who is so out of touch with membership that it's getting to be tragicomical.

FD-

All you are saying is "we're screwed". Have you really resigned yourself? Given up? Quit?

 

[Freight Dog]

FD-

All you are saying is "we're screwed". Have you really resigned yourself? Given up? Quit?

No, actually I got "terminated" when my airline went under. I don't have a voice with ALPA any more.

But having seen how we were treated during our bankruptcy by ALPA national and our ALPA brothers from a major partner carrier... with that kind of "brotherhood" who needs enemies?

Check your PM's.