age 60+ airline guys......

[UAL-GSO]

"ASA to UAL to ATA to AAI to UAL to CS"

god damn UAL-GSO, your king of interviews.

Yeah - and if you need any wings, epaulets, hats or ugly polyester pants - call me. I probably have them

 

[Bad-Andy]

I'm 62+, have the hip, still flying and am sick of you commuter pilots.
Enjoy your furlough

That's interesting, 62+ and still flying. Flying what? It's got to be 91 or 135. Or on the botom of a 121 list somewhere. Unless.....................you were a ROPE or an instructor. (Since the oldest real line guys are only 60 yrs and 10 months...) Either way, you got in a back door, that should have been sealed tight... So, consider yourself lucky. The rule was meant to prevent future retirements, not bring retreads like you back to the line.

As for the commuter pilot shot, nice. You are a real man in my book since you have all that dc9 time. Wooooooo hoooooo, that's a big plane. I wish I could fly something that big. Gee, hopefully someday I can have as rearding a career as you...

PS-- I will enjoy my furlough. Maybe I can see yet another part of the world. (It's all what you make of it...)

 

[flying4life]

The fact is the age change came at a bad time and created a perfect storm. With the economy in the tank and gas prices insane the last thing we needed was another thing to slow down attrition. I don't pretend to know why a 62+ guy still wants or needs to fly. I'm sure there are all kinds of reasons. Some guys die after they leave for lack of purpose, others have been furloughed, bankrupt, or pensions lost and have legitimate issues for needing the money. Whatever the reason, it doesn't mean that you sticking around doesn't have consequence to the rest of the pilot group. So as a junior guy to the over 60 crowd I thank you for your experience to offer to the rest of us. Some humility to how it effects us go's along way though. All of us have been effected by this change and only the senior guy in a positive way. I don't want to become some old crusty guy and sound as nasty as you about a second chance that no one saw coming. Don't be so arrogant as to not see how this is effecting the rest of the group. Timing is everything and in this industry we all see that sooner or later.

 

[Superpilot92]

Fly Till You Die, Geezers!!! uke:

 

[Fubijaakr]

Look EVERYONE'S career was affected by the new law. Some guys will get stuck flying crappy lines for 5 more years.

Some guys won't be able to upgrade or get off reserve for 5 years.

Some guys won't get hired for 5 years.

But, the law isn't changing. And the fact of the matter is, the change wasn't due to lobbying by the old guys. It was a response to the change in the ICAO regs.

And, guess what, it isn't changing back. So get over it, and move on. Unless you're fond of peeing in the wind...

 

[Furloughed80]

Age 65 at SAS.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article2615859.ece

 

[flying4life]

Form Fubijaakr: "And, guess what, it isn't changing back. So get over it, and move on. Unless you're fond of peeing in the wind..."

...You miss the point of this discussion...It's not just the rule change...it's that the rule change has added yet one more thing to the already hurting industry. It is a rough time to be in the industry. Maybe you're too senior or making too much money to feel the pinch everyone else is...I don't know who you fly for but with us, they let the guys come back up front even though there was no vacancy for them. Pushed other guys out of the seat and down the line it went, including looking at furloughs. The fact is the only way a senior guy would truly feel this same effect is if the company rehired all the over 60 guys who already retired and pushed you down!! But hey, as long as you are taken care of, screw the rest of us! All I was saying is how bout some humility while others are feeling your tenure extension! But hey it's just a rule change and it's very simple from your perch isn't it? You make it sound so simple with it just being a 5 year extension of the current situation but it's not that simple. You need to open your eyes and ask questions about what's going on because you have no clue! The sad thing is you are so far removed that you can't see it and frankly don't want to. These points are mute anyway..you're not gonna get this. I'm done..good luck with your retirement..when you finally go.....

 

[Nindiri]

Everyone senior to me should retire so I can make more money. They owe it to me. I had to be an FO for 3 whole years, and now these greedy guys won't get out my way so I can sit left seat on a 777.

 

[Ypres]

IF you were to get furloughed, and IF you were fortunate enough to get hired by a fractional, you just might find yourself flying with a 68 year old Captain who retired from 121 flying at age 60. Would that change your opinion of "old people" ?

 

[kman]

I've flown with a 73 yr old at a frac!

 

[LearLove]

I have no problem with 60+ guys flying any type/size equipment. Its just that a large group of these guys got to move up their whole career based mostly on the ones older than them (ww2 and korea era pilots) retiring at 60 now they don't want to play the game. especially the "silver spoon" guys hired in the late 70's early 80's at places like UAL/DAL/AA/AAA. these guys have hardly had a hiccup. especially since the mid 80's. now they have the best pay and skeds and got there because someone before them retired at 60 but they don't want to play by the same rules. thats BS. these silver spoons have been raking in 150K+ since 1985 - if they don't have enough to retire on that alone then they only have themselves to blame.

 

[WickedPissa]

They can't because of their 5 ex wives, all their toys, piss poor planning, and face it, no social life.

You're just sad because he has toys, and you don't, and he has been la$d at least 5 times with his ex-es and you are a virgin.

 

[Nindiri]

You're just sad because he has toys, and you don't, and he has been la$d at least 5 times with his ex-es and you are a virgin.

Ouch! :laugh:

 

[Klamath]

Age 65 at SAS.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article2615859.ece

If you are 60+ and are complaining about being bullied by younger pilots, then you my friend, are a Pu$$y.

If you are a 60+ Captain, act like one and don't put up with insolence. Lead by example, know your sh!t and be on top of your game.

In your declining years, if your spine becomes yellow, that is another indicator that it's time to hang up the hat.

If you are still capable of leading, be a LEADER.

Sorry, harsh but true, and now I get off my soapbox.

 

[Flopgut]

IF you were to get furloughed, and IF you were fortunate enough to get hired by a fractional, you just might find yourself flying with a 68 year old Captain who retired from 121 flying at age 60. Would that change your opinion of "old people" ?

That 68 year old pilot either had to work or needed to work. The big difference between him and the guys who stay at the airline with the new rule: He had to interview. The fractional isn't forced to hire every old guy that applys. The new rule requires nothing of a pilot who wants to stay with the airline. The airline will furlough and otherwise marginalize junior pilots in favor of keeping senior pilots who very likely couldn't get hired at a fractional or anywhaere else. CAL's recent early outs spotlighted this. Pilots who had taken care of themselves financially, and who are still viable enough to get a new job, did so. It is the perpetually needy, unprepared and unequiped guys who are going to stay and that is going to become even more so the case as time wears on. Now I admit that this doesn't describe all the age 60+ guys taying on at the airline, but it does describe a majority.