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At this point I'd be more excited about a new generation 100-seater. The reasons should be obvious.
 
"But its smaller than an A-330 and 744, so it must not be a "premium wide body." The 787 pay is in the wide body zone, as the MAJORITY of the 767 pay isn't.
1/1/2009
Captain 12 YR 11 YR 10 YR 9 YR 8 YR 7 YR 6 YR 5 YR 4 YR 3 YR 2 YR 1 YR
B747-400 2 00.69 1 99.17 1 97.69 1 96.18 1 94.67 1 93.17 1 91.67 1 90.17 1 88.66 1 87.15 1 85.64 1 84.14
B777 2 00.69 1 99.17 1 97.69 1 96.18 1 94.67 1 93.17 1 91.67 1 90.17 1 88.66 1 87.15 1 85.64 1 84.14
B747/B747F 1 96.88 1 95.38 1 93.90 1 92.41 1 90.92 1 89.44 1 87.95 1 86.46 1 84.98 1 83.49 1 81.99 1 80.51
B787 1 92.26 1 90.80 1 89.35 1 87.90 1 86.44 1 84.99 1 83.54 1 82.09 1 80.63 1 79.18 1 77.73 1 76.28
B767-400ER 1 89.56 1 88.15 1 86.73 1 85.30 1 83.88 1 82.46 1 81.04 1 79.62 1 78.19 1 76.78 1 75.35 1 73.93
A330-200/300 1 89.56 1 88.15 1 86.73 1 85.30 1 83.88 1 82.46 1 81.04 1 79.62 1 78.19 1 76.78 1 75.35 1 73.93
B767-300ER 1 67.98 1 66.26 1 64.50 1 62.76 1 61.61 1 60.28 1 59.09 1 57.87 1 56.55 1 55.28 1 54.02 1 52.73
B767-300 1 67.98 1 66.26 1 64.50 1 62.76 1 61.61 1 60.28 1 59.09 1 57.87 1 56.55 1 55.28 1 54.02 1 52.73
B767-200 1 67.98 1 66.26 1 64.50 1 62.76 1 61.61 1 60.28 1 59.09 1 57.87 1 56.55 1 55.28 1 54.02 1 52.73
B757 1 67.98 1 66.26 1 64.50 1 62.76 1 61.61 1 60.28 1 59.09 1 57.87 1 56.55 1 55.28 1 54.02 1 52.73
B737-900 1 61.91 1 60.68 1 59.44 1 58.24 1 56.99 1 55.79 1 54.57 1 53.34 1 52.11 1 50.87 1 49.69 1 48.53
B737-800 1 61.09 1 59.89 1 58.67 1 57.47 1 56.26 1 55.06 1 53.86 1 52.64 1 51.43 1 50.20 1 49.03 1 47.88
B737-700 1 61.09 1 59.89 1 58.67 1 57.47 1 56.26 1 55.06 1 53.86 1 52.64 1 51.43 1 50.20 1 49.03 1 47.88
A320 1 55.43 1 54.26 1 53.08 1 51.91 1 50.73 1 49.56 1 48.38 1 47.21 1 46.03 1 44.86 1 43.68 1 42.51
A319 1 55.43 1 54.26 1 53.08 1 51.91 1 50.73 1 49.56 1 48.38 1 47.21 1 46.03 1 44.86 1 43.68 1 42.51
MD-90 1 52.64 1 50.97 1 49.29 1 47.62 1 46.50 1 45.27 1 44.09 1 42.92 1 41.63 1 40.43 1 39.22 1 37.94
MD-88 1 49.06 1 47.27 1 45.57 1 43.76 1 42.66 1 41.39 1 40.12 1 38.87 1 37.57 1 36.26 1 35.03 1 33.86
DC-9 1 44.95 1 43.89 1 42.78 1 41.68 1 40.60 1 39.50 1 38.43 1 37.32 1 36.26 1 35.17 1 34.07 1 33.08
B737-300G 1 44.95 1 43.89 1 42.78 1 41.68 1 40.60 1 39.50 1 38.43 1 37.32 1 36.26 1 35.17 1 34.07 1 33.08
B737-200/300 1 44.95 1 43.89 1 42.78 1 41.68 1 40.60 1 39.50 1 38.43 1 37.32 1 36.26 1 35.17 1 34.07 1 33.08
EMB-195 1 21.70 1 20.80 1 19.87 1 18.95 1 18.04 1 17.12 1 16.22 1 15.29 1 14.39 1 13.48 1 12.56 1 11.72​

EMB-190/CRJ-900 1 03.53 1 02.77 1 01.97 1 01.19 1 00.43 99.64 98.87 98.08 97.32 96.53 95.76 95.04
 
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Diesel-9 said:
"But its smaller than an A-330 and 744, so it must not be a "premium wide body." The 787 pay is in the wide body zone, as the MAJORITY of the 767 pay isn't.
1/1/2009
Captain 12 YR 11 YR 10 YR 9 YR 8 YR 7 YR 6 YR 5 YR 4 YR 3 YR 2 YR 1 YR
B747-400 2 00.69 1 99.17 1 97.69 1 96.18 1 94.67 1 93.17 1 91.67 1 90.17 1 88.66 1 87.15 1 85.64 1 84.14
B777 2 00.69 1 99.17 1 97.69 1 96.18 1 94.67 1 93.17 1 91.67 1 90.17 1 88.66 1 87.15 1 85.64 1 84.14
B747/B747F 1 96.88 1 95.38 1 93.90 1 92.41 1 90.92 1 89.44 1 87.95 1 86.46 1 84.98 1 83.49 1 81.99 1 80.51
B787 1 92.26 1 90.80 1 89.35 1 87.90 1 86.44 1 84.99 1 83.54 1 82.09 1 80.63 1 79.18 1 77.73 1 76.28
B767-400ER 1 89.56 1 88.15 1 86.73 1 85.30 1 83.88 1 82.46 1 81.04 1 79.62 1 78.19 1 76.78 1 75.35 1 73.93
A330-200/300 1 89.56 1 88.15 1 86.73 1 85.30 1 83.88 1 82.46 1 81.04 1 79.62 1 78.19 1 76.78 1 75.35 1 73.93
B767-300ER 1 67.98 1 66.26 1 64.50 1 62.76 1 61.61 1 60.28 1 59.09 1 57.87 1 56.55 1 55.28 1 54.02 1 52.73
B767-300 1 67.98 1 66.26 1 64.50 1 62.76 1 61.61 1 60.28 1 59.09 1 57.87 1 56.55 1 55.28 1 54.02 1 52.73
B767-200 1 67.98 1 66.26 1 64.50 1 62.76 1 61.61 1 60.28 1 59.09 1 57.87 1 56.55 1 55.28 1 54.02 1 52.73
B757 1 67.98 1 66.26 1 64.50 1 62.76 1 61.61 1 60.28 1 59.09 1 57.87 1 56.55 1 55.28 1 54.02 1 52.73
B737-900 1 61.91 1 60.68 1 59.44 1 58.24 1 56.99 1 55.79 1 54.57 1 53.34 1 52.11 1 50.87 1 49.69 1 48.53
B737-800 1 61.09 1 59.89 1 58.67 1 57.47 1 56.26 1 55.06 1 53.86 1 52.64 1 51.43 1 50.20 1 49.03 1 47.88
B737-700 1 61.09 1 59.89 1 58.67 1 57.47 1 56.26 1 55.06 1 53.86 1 52.64 1 51.43 1 50.20 1 49.03 1 47.88
A320 1 55.43 1 54.26 1 53.08 1 51.91 1 50.73 1 49.56 1 48.38 1 47.21 1 46.03 1 44.86 1 43.68 1 42.51
A319 1 55.43 1 54.26 1 53.08 1 51.91 1 50.73 1 49.56 1 48.38 1 47.21 1 46.03 1 44.86 1 43.68 1 42.51
MD-90 1 52.64 1 50.97 1 49.29 1 47.62 1 46.50 1 45.27 1 44.09 1 42.92 1 41.63 1 40.43 1 39.22 1 37.94
MD-88 1 49.06 1 47.27 1 45.57 1 43.76 1 42.66 1 41.39 1 40.12 1 38.87 1 37.57 1 36.26 1 35.03 1 33.86
DC-9 1 44.95 1 43.89 1 42.78 1 41.68 1 40.60 1 39.50 1 38.43 1 37.32 1 36.26 1 35.17 1 34.07 1 33.08
B737-300G 1 44.95 1 43.89 1 42.78 1 41.68 1 40.60 1 39.50 1 38.43 1 37.32 1 36.26 1 35.17 1 34.07 1 33.08
B737-200/300 1 44.95 1 43.89 1 42.78 1 41.68 1 40.60 1 39.50 1 38.43 1 37.32 1 36.26 1 35.17 1 34.07 1 33.08
EMB-195 1 21.70 1 20.80 1 19.87 1 18.95 1 18.04 1 17.12 1 16.22 1 15.29 1 14.39 1 13.48 1 12.56 1 11.72​

EMB-190/CRJ-900 1 03.53 1 02.77 1 01.97 1 01.19 1 00.43 99.64 98.87 98.08 97.32 96.53 95.76 95.04
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I think you had better re-read the JCBA again. The new pay rates are not to be considered in the arbitration of the SLI. The rates are the ones we are currently operating under.
A330-300/200 is 162
B767-400 is 181
B767/B757 is 160
 
Superpilot,

I think you are a good guy, and I appreciate your optimistic attitude, it's refreshing in this industry. Unfortunately, I have to say I don't know if I've ever seen a worse case of SJS as the one you have. It's just an airplane. The most important part is the life that goes with it. Enjoy it.

box
 
Scope out RJ's said:
YAWN! typical response from a jr. pilot with short dick syndrome.
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Attacking a person...WOW That is a great non-formative response to the post. Way to go. I guess you are not too concerned about your credibility factor on here.

Just in case you do want to debate. What does SJS have to do with a junior or senior pilot? Everyone is going to grab for whatever they can. I don't think it is so much a matter of the shiny jet as the best pay and quality of life that comes with it. We are all too far along in our careers to be afflicated with the Shiny Jet Syndrome. Just ask the Compass pilots about their shiny jets. They are rightfully concerned for their jobs at this point.

Scoping out RJs is the right way to look at things though. I am in agreement with you there.

Yawn
 
RedRum said:
Speaking of shiny jets, here is a little reminder for all you junior Delta pilots. You guys used to fly the 9 as well.
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It's my understanding that some of the DC-9s which we retired from our fleet well over a decade ago are at NWA today. It's kind of a circle of life thing that they'll finish their service life in Delta colors.
 
How about everyone cut the bashing. Our reps hammered out an joint contract which both sides voted in which alot thought would get turned down. Now lets hope they can reach a negotiated sli that neither side is extremely excited nor pissed about. I am sure that there will be segments of both but hopefully the majority of both list will see it as a wash.
 
GogglesPisano said:
At this point I'd be more excited about a new generation 100-seater. The reasons should be obvious.
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RedRum said:
Speaking of shiny jets, here is a little reminder for all you junior Delta pilots. You guys used to fly the 9 as well.
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You are so right. Unfortunately, I've been told that if we fly this, it would cost 777 Captains too much. However, the advocates of scope sales have never provided any objective numbers to quantify how much a few might gain as a result of outsourcing 67% of Delta flying.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-Canada/Embraer-ERJ-170-200SU-175SU/0886049/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/NWA-Airlink-(Compass/Embraer-ERJ-170-200LR-175LR/1371068/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-Canada/Embraer-ERJ-190-100IGW-190AR/1012436/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/NWA-Airlink-(Mesaba/Canadair-CL-600-2D24-Regional/1335062/L/

Airbus is scheduled to test the new Pratt GTF engine on the A320. We can hope that tilts the balance. Boeing says the GTF does not fit the 737.

And before someone accuses me of SJS, I don't really care what it is as long as the passengers are comfortable and the Company makes money with it. I'd be all for hanging GTF's or CF34's on a DC9 to make it a 717-NG, as long as it is flown by mainline.
 
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Sorry, not trying to bash. Like I said, I think he is a good guy. By the way, should have added congratulations to the NW and Delta guys. This is a step in the right direction for all of us. Hopefully the likes of AA and CAL can build off of your work. Enjoy the payrise, and best of luck to the new carrier!!

box
 
~~~^~~~ said:
However, the advocates of scope sales have never provided any objective numbers to quantify how much a few might gain as a result of outsourcing 67% of Delta flying.

Where do you get your figures that indicate that 67% of DAL flying is outsourced?
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Boxjockey, I don't get why the jab at me. What leads you to the conclusion I have "SJS"? The truth is I don't care what I fly. I am more of a qol chaser if anything. Btw I fly a DC9 the only thing shiny about it is the paint!;)
 
FDJ2 said:
~~~^~~~ said:
However, the advocates of scope sales have never provided any objective numbers to quantify how much a few might gain as a result of outsourcing 67% of Delta flying.

Where do you get your figures that indicate that 67% of DAL flying is outsourced?
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It's in this month's sky magazine. I think it means that 67% of the flight numbers are Connection ops...
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PeanuckleCRJ said:
FDJ2 said:
It's in this month's sky magazine. I think it means that 67% of the flight numbers are Connection ops...
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Well someone is going to have to define what constitutes 67% of Delta flying.

Looking at the May 2008 ASMs, Delta system produced 12,673,315,000ASMs, of which 10,852,674,000 were flown by the mainline. Connection carriers flew 1,820,641,000 ASMs. IOW, the connection carriers were responsible for approximately 14% of the ASMs
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PeanuckleCRJ said:
FDJ2 said:
It's in this month's sky magazine. I think it means that 67% of the flight numbers are Connection ops...
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Well someone is going to have to define what constitutes 67% of Delta flying.

Looking at the May 2008 ASMs, Delta system produced 12,673,315,000ASMs, of which 10,852,674,000 were flown by the mainline. Connection carriers flew 1,820,641,000 ASMs. IOW, the connection carriers were responsible for approximately 14% of the ASMs and the mainline flew approximately 86% of system ASMs, or put another way, for every 6 seat miles flown at mainline, 1 was flown at a connection carrier.



http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11084
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FDJ2 said:
Well someone is going to have to define what constitutes of Delta flying.
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Webster's writes:
Main Entry: flying Function: noun Date: 1548 1 : travel by air 2 : the operation of an aircraft
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FDJ2 said:
Where do you get your figures that indicate that 67% of DAL flying is outsourced?
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Peanuckle's on it.

http://www.delta-sky.com/2008_08/fullmagazine/

Reference Page 8

Don Bornhorst, Senior Vice President of Delta Connection, writes:
"In fact, two thirds of Delta Air Lines' daily schedule is served by regional partners - that's more than 2,700 flights to 233 cities each day.... Our goal is to mirror the experience so closely that your don't notice if you are flying on a Delta or a Delta Connection airplane."
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Lets stop justifying it and start fixing it.
 
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The new scope language will prevent any further flying from growing anywhere other than at mainline. That's a start in the right direction, now if we could get it all on 1 ticket that would be even better.
 
Una corrección leve, mi amigo, Super.

One List. It can span several certificates, even different contracts, but one list. No more pilots fighting pilots over flying within one Company, or Brand.

Delta flying done by Delta pilots. Simple and effective.
 
FDJ2 said:
It's my understanding that some of the DC-9s which we retired from our fleet well over a decade ago are at NWA today. It's kind of a circle of life thing that they'll finish their service life in Delta colors.
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True! I flew a few of the of DAL DC-9-10's back in the 90's. There was a cool article in '98 about the oldest aircraft we owned...which was a previous DAL -10.

The DC-9-10's are long gone....so there won't be any previous DAL DC-9's to complete the circle.

Pity. That'd be a good story!
 

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