Compass 175 wt. restricted

[profit]

I keep hearing from gate agents that the 175's go with empty seats due to weight restrictions.

Can some of you Compass peeps tell me what's going on?

 

[Redtailer]

That tends to happen when you try to use a plane for something it wasn't intended to do. i.e. DTW-SAN, DTW-Monterey, MX.

Wonder who thought of that brilliant plan? Hmmm....

 

[profit]

That tends to happen when you try to use a plane for something it wasn't intended to do. i.e. DTW-SAN, DTW-Monterey, MX.

Wonder who thought of that brilliant plan? Hmmm....

Ok, but why DTW-OMA, or MDW-MSP?

 

[LearLove]

it is probibly the shorter legs with the max landing weight/zero fuel weight/fuel burn relationship.

if I remember back a republic the 175 had a mzfw of 69,886 and a max ldg weight of 74,957. On short trip like CLT-ILM or CMH-CLT where we had full pax/bags you could get to an over ldw situation (over 74957). This would happen in situations like I noted above (clt-cmh) where the burn was 4500 lbs but the wx was ifr in clt so you had to carry extra fuel for the alt but you didn't need the alt fuel and you got a shortcut or didn't hold so now your putting the gear and flaps out 30 mile from the airport to make touchdown under 74957.

 

[GOULET!]

I've never seen a situation where we are over max takeoff weight (even to Mexico). The short flights are the one's that have problems with landing over max landing weight for the situations exactly what LearLove stated.

 

[DrewBlows]

I keep hearing from gate agents that the 175's go with empty seats due to weight restrictions.

Can some of you Compass peeps tell me what's going on?

I've never left anyone behind, but I've done mostly very long flights (DTW-MTY). I suppose it's possible the short flights are landing weight limited, but I think it's more likely the gate agents aren't familiar with the airplane. I've had many gate agents ask me if we would be able to take full passengers and never had a problem.

I think Northwest blocks out the last row in their system for loading purposes (first class makes it tail heavy because there aren't as many seats), which may be the cause of gate agent's misconception. If they are not putting people in those seats it's the gate agents who are leaving people behind, not pilots. We do our own w/b but I think we are the only NWA carrier who does so maybe the gate agents see the seats blocked off and don't think to ask us. Just my two cents.

 

[Snaab]

Saw a Compass E175 departing 22R in Screwark this morning and it used a LOT of runway (lot more than the standard fare uses at EWR).

Never flew it, don't know a thing about it, but is it at all a rwy hog?? I'd heard the 170/175/190s were hot rods. Curious.... Maybe they wanted the bomber-type takeoff.

 

[BOHICAgain]

The gate agents think it is for weight and balance but not the case. The block the last to rows for no reason. Full pax and cargo on short flights are no problem.

The only time I was even close was on a flight DTW-BOS with an ALT of BWI . I have no idea why it was so far away but we were landing restricted due to the 5000 lbs of fuel for the go around and fuel to BWI plus or reserve fuel . We left 2 non revs but better planning would have avoided that.

The fuel was already on board and for me to defuel would have been time wasted.

 

[cobalt]

The gate agents think it is for weight and balance but not the case. The block the last to rows for no reason. Full pax and cargo on short flights are no problem.

The only time I was even close was on a flight DTW-BOS with an ALT of BWI . I have no idea why it was so far away but we were landing restricted due to the 5000 lbs of fuel for the go around and fuel to BWI plus or reserve fuel . We left 2 non revs but better planning would have avoided that.

The fuel was already on board and for me to defuel would have been time wasted.

maybe no need to defuel... just burn it...why not call dispatch, fly a few thousand feet lower, that will increase your burn, increasing your max takeoff for a landing structural limitation...now everyone can go.

(if you were at max takeoff weight too... nevermind... but you said it was landing weight issue)

 

[skid]

Saw a Compass E175 departing 22R in Screwark this morning and it used a LOT of runway (lot more than the standard fare uses at EWR).

Never flew it, don't know a thing about it, but is it at all a rwy hog?? I'd heard the 170/175/190s were hot rods. Curious.... Maybe they wanted the bomber-type takeoff.

is it a runway hog yes. I took off BOS Fri afternoon to head to MEM and we almost had to ask for a different runway for perf. That would have been rediculous...an RJ not able to use the same runways as MD's and such.

The only way we were able to was because a fewpeople missed the flght and the temp came down 1 degree and engine bleeds had to be off.

This thing is really underpowered in my opinion.

 

[LearLove]

is it a runway hog yes. I took off BOS Fri afternoon to head to MEM and we almost had to ask for a different runway for perf. That would have been rediculous...an RJ not able to use the same runways as MD's and such.

The only way we were able to was because a fewpeople missed the flght and the temp came down 1 degree and engine bleeds had to be off.

This thing is really underpowered in my opinion.

what - after 3000+ hours in the 170/175 and 190 I'd say they are no where near a "runway hogs", flaps 4 takeoff works just fine for shorter runways or hot days when heavy.

 

[n757st]

what - after 3000+ hours in the 170/175 and 190 I'd say they are no where near a "runway hogs", flaps 4 takeoff works just fine for shorter runways or hot days when heavy.

Could be a runway 27 departure, on any day that can be demanding on any aircraft due to the strict climb requirements.

 

[mycfitrips]

what - after 3000+ hours in the 170/175 and 190 I'd say they are no where near a "runway hogs", flaps 4 takeoff works just fine for shorter runways or hot days when heavy.

I agree. Also fly the 175 and it can be great. Need flaps 4 at MDW or any shorter or wet runway but it does just great. Landing weight can be an issue if you have lots of alternate fuel to a short destination.
It is a NW thing to block off the rear seats. Nobody seems to know why!!!
I have not yet left 1 person or bags behind.

 

[CoolSidePillow]

It is just because RJ pilots s*ck

 

[FlyingDawg]

The last row being blocked off is so the FA's can sit on their ass.

 

[n757st]

It is just because RJ pilots s*ck

Sooo much hatred for regional pilots... I know its hard when your boyfriend cheats on you, but just because he did it with a regional airline pilot should not skew your view of the rest of us. There there bucko, it'll be ok.

 

[DrewBlows]

Saw a Compass E175 departing 22R in Screwark this morning and it used a LOT of runway (lot more than the standard fare uses at EWR).

Never flew it, don't know a thing about it, but is it at all a rwy hog?? I'd heard the 170/175/190s were hot rods. Curious.... Maybe they wanted the bomber-type takeoff.

We generally do flaps 2 takeoffs which use more runway than flaps 4 because of higher speeds, but flaps 2 uses less fuel. Supposedly we will be doing flaps 1 takeoffs soon, which presumably would use more runway but burn less fuel. I guess they figure use it if you got it.

 

[Sir Innocenti]

The gate agents think it is for weight and balance but not the case. The block the last to rows for no reason.

This isnt much to look too deep into....Experienced gate agents do this usually out of courtesy to the flight crew on longer legs so they have somewhere to sit during the flight....

 

[DrewBlows]

This isnt much to look too deep into....Experienced gate agents do this usually out of courtesy to the flight crew on longer legs so they have somewhere to sit during the flight....

That's not why they do it. The seats are blocked before the gate agents see them. Not all agents are familiar with Compass Operations so there is sometimes confusion. I was told, by an NWA gate agent, they were not to fill those seats until all others are filled. We sometimes have to move people forward, but it's not a big deal. The policy of blocking off the seats works fine if everyone knows what's going on.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

What is life like at Compass now?

I have some furloughed buds at USA Jet who are thinking of trying to get an interview, and we don't know so much about Compass. I was researching it up through about last year, Aug-haven't kept up much since then.

Any info/suggestions are greatly appreciated!

cliff
MCI