Furloughee Looking for Work

[skipper1]

Anyone in the corporate world interested in helping out a furlougee? TT 1800 with two airline jobs under my belt. Hoping to get into the corporate side of flying. I live just outside of chicago but would relocate for the right job! Baby due in november! Any help would be GREAT! thanks in advance!!!

Maurice

 

[say again]

It's certainly has become a tough market out there. I suggest hitting all the local airports and network that way. Ask friends at your airline if they know of anyone looking for help. I wish I could help, but things are quite slow out here (NY).

 

[BoilerUP]

If you are serious about networking, you need to join BizAv Central and Pro Pilot World.

Chicago is tight (there are many UAL guys looking for work right now) but there are still jobs to be had...

Good luck!

 

[NCherches]

Flight Instruct... 2 airline jobs with 1800 TT you probably need PIC time anyways

 

[Gulfstream 200]

As others said....network as much as you can. 1800TT and 2 SIC airline jobs is NOT going to get you much attention these days...(just reality)

Look at an entry level job (SIC in a King Air for example) that has upgrade opportunity. On demand charter places are sometimes considered the lower end of "corporate" but are a great way to bang out some flying and grab a type rating or two.

Realistic mins for most OK corp jobs today are 4-5000TT, some PIC, a few type ratings, and a degree...bear in mind ref's also help a lot.

Boiler Up is right - this and the other corp boards are a fantastic way to network.

My department has hired people from contacts made on these boards. The $10 (or whatever) most of them charge is well worth the info you get, especially if new to the business.

Good Luck!

 

[skipper1]

Sounds good all and thanks for the advise! I will definentally get into it. Cheers!

 

[Goose Egg]

Ahhhh.... What is this refreshed feeling that I feel...

I know, its people actually trying to help other people and not demean them on this website. Its good to see. Its helping to restore my faith in humanity.

Thanks guys!

-Goose

 

[AA717driver]

G200/Boiler--Yeah, thanks for ruining the snarky, sarcastic put-down I had all teed up for skipper...

Well, I guess it's back to the USAir/AWA and Delta/NWA threads for me. Or, for a REALLY good time, maybe I'll head over to pprune--I haven't hated on the Ozzies for a while. TC

P.S.--Seriously, good luck, skipper. It's a tough transition these days but a lot of people have gone before you and made it. G200 and Boiler are good sources of info (if not fashion, in G2c's case... )

 

[AIR2MUD]

G200 and Boiler are good sources of info (if not fashion, in G2c's case... )

Shrinky-dink Submissive Sally Slippers (aka - Crocs) are NOT manly pilot-type attire!

DO NOT wear them in the vicinity of corporate flight departments if you want a job there...

...unless you're inviewing with the G man. Then, wear Crocs, and bring fruity beer.

 

[AA717driver]

Shrinky-dink Submissive Sally Slippers (aka - Crocs) are NOT manly pilot-type attire!

DO NOT wear them in the vicinity of corporate flight departments if you want a job there...

...unless you're inviewing with the G man. Then, wear Crocs, and bring fruity beer.

OUCH! You got your "A game" going today. See ya' on pprune! TC

 

[svcta]

We got a guy in our department that we call 'crocs'. It's his go-to foot wear. We may plan an intervention.

Just to add a little so I don't feel too bad for aiding the drift:

It will be tough finding a good corporate gig with that background and TT, but it can be done. Corporate is far more about networking than blanket experience requirements. If you know anyone on the corp. side from years ago, doesn't matter how far back, get a hold of them and revive your friendship. Always be friendly, and never, NEVER, talk about the airlines. Most corp guys (especially the older ones) will want you to recognize that corporate flying has it's own learning curve and special set of 'rules'. Show a willingness to learn and brush up on the 91 regs and a/c types. I hate it when the guy next to me can't tell a Hawker from a Falcon because all he's ever seen are CRJs and 737s, which seems to happen (and I'm one of the people rooting for the airline guys)

I made the transition a little over 2 years ago. I was able to do it only because of a good friend that I always kept in touch with, and now I have the job of a lifetime. Good luck!

 

[epic!]

which of those two networking websites would you all recommend for a low time guy? I guess what Im asking is, are there listings for SIC King Air or similar jobs low time guys actually have a chance of getting?

 

[BoilerUP]

which of those two networking websites would you all recommend for a low time guy?

Both...they're $10 annually and a very, very wise investment.

I guess what Im asking is, are there listings for SIC King Air or similar jobs low time guys actually have a chance of getting?

Yes.

Even more than that, there are people on each board that know of openings that haven't been publicized yet, or openings that are coming the but the hiring process hasn't been started yet.

For your average low-time, non-ATP rated regional FO (I was one not very long ago) the market may limit one's marketability in the crappy to average charter job realm unless you really have an inside contact somewhere...but thats good experience that begets more networking and lots of upward career potential.

I can't speak for BizAv, but there have been dozens of people that have gotten interviews and found jobs as a direct result of the networking they did on Pro Pilot World.

I know when we were looking to hire a new pilot this past spring I made a call to a pilot I'd never met before, but had bantered and exchanged messages with on Pro Pilot World, asking about interest and seeking a resume. He didn't end up being selected for an interview, but he was brought under close consideration.

We ended up hiring somebody that I had flown with a couple times a few years back...but that I had only kept in professional contact with via Pro Pilot World.

It works and its worth the ten bucks..what do you have to lose other than a couple beers worth of cash?

 

[AA717driver]

skipper--I got my Gulfstream gig because I always kept in touch with a friend from GA days.

There are some old school guys who still have a chip on their shoulder from the airline v. corp. days but that's changing rapidly.

For awhile now, corporate has been a valid choice not just someplace to work because you got turned down at Braniff or didn't have 20/20 vision (which, until the mid-late 80's was the rule). Things are changing for the better daily in that respect.

But, like Boiler said, you have to adjust your thinking when moving to 91. A good King Air job is better than a lousy Citation job. Bigger is not always better. A lot of guys will gloat if they fly a large cabin aircraft, but if they're working with d-bags or spend 25 days a month on the road, what's to be uppity about?

Realize you will have to take several steps backward (from a RJ to a King Air 90 or maybe even a 421) in order to go forward. Accept it and use it as a learning process. Hauling bags, hauling trash, dumping lavs, making coffee, dealing with the pax--it's all part of the job description and you'll have to get comfortable with it to succeed in corporate.

Take care. TC

 

[FO4life]

Yea I got let go today. what do you think of a HS 125 type, pro line 21 experience, lr-jet type, international experience. Living in south east pa. So much for that warm a fuzzy feeling of having a good job.

 

[U of I Tweak]

Yea I got let go today. what do you think of a HS 125 type, pro line 21 experience, lr-jet type, international experience. Living in south east pa. So much for that warm a fuzzy feeling of having a good job.

I'm there with you...was flying a Citation for a guy that was a private pilot himself. 2300 Total, the last year flying an Ultra out of Lake in the Hills, IL. So far I haven't had too much luck finding anything. The search continues.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Shrinky-dink Submissive Sally Slippers (aka - Crocs) are NOT manly pilot-type attire!

DO NOT wear them in the vicinity of corporate flight departments if you want a job there...

...unless you're inviewing with the G man. Then, wear Crocs, and bring fruity beer.

They're ganging up!

You guys just don't understand fashion!

Wearing the crocs to the office/meetings does get some looks....oh well...:laugh:

FWIW - I dont do the fruity beer, Im a PBR drinker.

Nothing but the best.

 

[ABUSED PILOT]

Skipper 1
Send Pilotyip a pm. He knows a lot of people and may be able to direct you .

 

[sonicyouth]

As others said....network as much as you can. 1800TT and 2 SIC airline jobs is NOT going to get you much attention these days...(just reality)

Look at an entry level job (SIC in a King Air for example) that has upgrade opportunity. On demand charter places are sometimes considered the lower end of "corporate" but are a great way to bang out some flying and grab a type rating or two.

Realistic mins for most OK corp jobs today are 4-5000TT, some PIC, a few type ratings, and a degree...bear in mind ref's also help a lot.

Boiler Up is right - this and the other corp boards are a fantastic way to network.

My department has hired people from contacts made on these boards. The $10 (or whatever) most of them charge is well worth the info you get, especially if new to the business.

Good Luck!

Just to clarify, On demand charter (Part 135 flying) and Corporate (Part 91 flying) are completely different. Particularly in the QOL side of things! But, 135 flying is an excellent way to gain experience, especially if you want to get a corporate job. You will make a lot of contacts, but beware the shady operators!!

 

[AA717driver]

They're ganging up!

You guys just don't understand fashion!

Wearing the crocs to the office/meetings does get some looks....oh well...:laugh:

FWIW - I dont do the fruity beer, Im a PBR drinker.

Nothing but the best.

We only dump on you cause we like you. (And you're not likely to go postal like some here... )

PBR? I thought I was slumming when I got that 30-pack of High Life Light. Thanks for validating my life. TC