Airtran cutting wages 10%

[Draginass]

Paycuts aren't going to save the airline. It only puts more money into the senior execs pockets for a few more months.

 

[Kharma Police]

I don't see Airtran pilots taking a paycut. Hell, they couldn't vote in a pay RAISE, how ya gonna get em to vote for a pay cut?

Nice try, we were smart enough to know that it wasn't a pay raise but a continued erosion of our work rules and QOL.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Airtran will file bankruptcy. Then your pilots will take paycuts. You guys will accept it and live with it. This cycle has been played out before. Your only other option will be to shut the airline down. I've got news for you. A lot of your senior pilots would rather work for reduced wages than start over again. This is a vicious cycle that has happened many times before especially in the last 7 years.

 

[Freight Dog]

Hate to say it, but I agree with hockeypilot. Way too many airlines shut down already, and they'll come and scare the bejeezus outta you with threats of shutting down.

 

[WSurf]

Hate to say it, but I agree with hockeypilot. Way too many airlines shut down already, and they'll come and scare the bejeezus outta you with threats of shutting down.

What sucks is that they will get the pay cuts from the employees. Once they get the pay cuts to help with managements golden chutes they will still turn around and shut the airline down and run away with millions.

FUBAR

 

[Freight Dog]

Yep. Ain't that the truth?

Now, people need to ask themselves... why are pilots voting for paycuts, and how do you address that so you won't have to vote for paycuts.

Time to do some radical thinking...

 

[tubelcane]

The only way this pilot group will take any cut is if it is imposed on us by a judge. I would guess most guys would rather this place shut down than take any cuts. I flew with an 11 year captain this last week. He is looking to get out. This is it for me. Im 35 and should be loving life. But Im not in the mood to start over anywhere. I think a bunch of our guys feel the same way. We may go down if flames but we will go down swinging. PAY CUTS my azz. "Strength and Honor, at my signal unleash Hell!"

 

[Ty Webb]

Pay cuts aren't going to "save the airline". The amount they would get from employees is a drop in the bucket. Either Oil proces will come down, or Congress will intervene (it is an Election Year, afterall) or we go to bankruptcy. Regardless, there is no way we are voting for paycuts. And what's a judge going to do? We already have the lowest non-fuel CASM out there. Lower it much more, and you're gonna have a hard time getting people to show up.

Most pilots here have come to the conclusion that, if the airline continues down its present path, this will not be a job worth having. So, let the chips fall where they may. I am not interested in doing this job for any less than I already am . . . I can only imagine what the FO's feel like.

TW

 

[OldManPilot]

If oil continues on its current rampage, I wonder who if any will have a chance at survival. I agree we need to take ownership of our profession and stand strong against further erosion in pay and work rules. But this stance needs to be taken industry wide.

We as pilots need to accept responsibility that airlines have been able to get concessions at will,and realize that until we ALL stand up and take control of our profession this treatment wil continue.

I am proud to be a pilot, I am not proud of how we have allowed time after time to be run over and then watch the same result. We lose money and the exec's walk away millionaires.

Take a stand.... NO MORE PAYCUTS!!!!

btw... I am within the numbers that Airtran is forcasting to furlough.

My $.02

 

[BSkin]

My $.02

We've all heard about hydrogen cars. How about developing a hydrogen jet engine. All you'd have to do is serve free drinks to everyone, connect the lav to the engines (of course some high pressure pump/ filter involved to root out the terds), and have a backup supply of H2O in case you're flying a bunch of Mormons. Hmmmmm!

Seriously, from a 5 year captain that will probably go back to reserve or right seat, NO will be my vote! However, I agree with HP44 -- Once it IS voted down, soon (?) afterward we will see bankruptcy. Then the cuts will be forced on us! I haven't talked to anyone in the last week that will vote yes!

Better to go down (pay) swinging than gimping!

 

[9rj9]

well...yes

I think the last one was called the Hindenberg.

Didn't work out so well.

 

[Just thinking]

Google before you type

"I think the last one was called the Hindenberg."

OPEN YOUR MIND TO THE POSSIBILITIES!

"The first public hydrogen station in California with integrated hydrogen and gasoline refueling opened Thursday in Los Angeles, as part of the U.S. government's program to test and promote vehicles using alternative energies.

The west Los Angeles station, operated by Shell Hydrogen, is the company's third vehicle refueling stations in the United States, after one located in Washington, D.C. and another in New York. The station could give consumers a taste of the future, with refueling services for hydrogen powered fuel cell vehicles becoming just as convenient as conventional gasoline motors, said Shell Hydrogen in a statement."

Nuclear power plants are a good things as well.

 

[Turtlesfly]

every thread digresses into how pilots think they can solve all the world's problems.

News flash: you can't.

 

[Britpilot]

Pay cuts aren't going to "save the airline". The amount they would get from employees is a drop in the bucket. Either Oil prices will come down, or Congress will intervene (it is an Election Year, afterall) or we go to bankruptcy. Regardless, there is no way we are voting for paycuts. And what's a judge going to do? We already have the lowest non-fuel CASM out there. Lower it much more, and you're gonna have a hard time getting people to show up.

Most pilots here have come to the conclusion that, if the airline continues down its present path, this will not be a job worth having. So, let the chips fall where they may. I am not interested in doing this job for any less than I already am . . . I can only imagine what the FO's feel like.

TW

Completely correct. There is a line in the sand that has now been reached.
70 hour lines, 8% pay cut, furloughs, anything else they want to throw into the package? Most of us cannot afford a pay cut on the FO side, makes the vote simple.

 

[§kyye Candy]

That just can't be so...

Because Forbes.com says airline pilots are one of the highest paid professions. (STILL!) :laugh:

http://www.forbes.com/2008/05/15/jo...pm_0515bestjobs_slide_12.html?thisSpeed=15000