NWA/Delta new Agreement. Mesaba?

[MJ42]

Are you implying that the pilots of Mesaba or Compass do not have degrees?

In my nine years at Mesaba I have only flown with one person that did not have a degree, but even he was working on one through online courses. I cannot say the same for NWA mainline. I know quite a few without a degree. If DAL covets this so much, will they (NWA pilots) not be able to merge? *sarcasm*

That wasn't what I was saying. I think DAL will keep their hiring practices in place. Also, ALL the pilots hired by NWA, since hiring started last year, have college degrees.

As to you flying with pilots at Mesaba who have degrees...I know, for a FACT, that a few years ago mesaba had come to several flight schools and hired numerous pilots of only which only a couple had degrees(PM me if you want to know how I know that). That doesn't mean that's a representative sample of pilots at Mesaba, but I'm sure they were hiring 300 hours wonders without degrees while they were desperate for pilots. I don't want this to be twisted by someone saying I think pilots without degrees are not quality pilots, I just think DAL will continue with their hiring requirements when the new DAL resumes hiring...that's all.

As to your comment about NWA pilots without degrees...like your experience at Mesaba, I can comment on NWA. I have not flown with a DC-9 CA yet who was not a college grad. I'm sure we have our share, but I think a majority have degrees.

 

[Flybet3]

That wasn't what I was saying. I think DAL will keep their hiring practices in place. Also, ALL the pilots hired by NWA, since hiring started last year, have college degrees.

As to you flying with pilots at Mesaba who have degrees...I know, for a FACT, that a few years ago mesaba had come to several flight schools and hired numerous pilots of only which only a couple had degrees(PM me if you want to know how I know that). That doesn't mean that's a representative sample of pilots at Mesaba, but I'm sure they were hiring 300 hours wonders without degrees while they were desperate for pilots. I don't want this to be twisted by someone saying I think pilots without degrees are not quality pilots, I just think DAL will continue with their hiring requirements when the new DAL resumes hiring...that's all.

As to your comment about NWA pilots without degrees...like your experience at Mesaba, I can comment on NWA. I have not flown with a DC-9 CA yet who was not a college grad. I'm sure we have our share, but I think a majority have degrees.

The interesting thing is that just about every FO I've flown with here at Mesaba has a degree. But a degree in what??! Aviation?! HA! You might as well not have a degree, good luck putting that degree into good use.

 

[SEVEN]

The interesting thing is that just about every FO I've flown with here at Mesaba has a degree. But a degree in what??! Aviation?! HA! You might as well not have a degree, good luck putting that degree into good use.

Aviation Science Technology. Wow. What a waste of time, money, and a worthless degree. Unfortunately, there are still thousands of suckers willing to dive deep into debt to acquire such a pointless degree. Save the money for a down payment on a house.

Oh, I forget...............unless mommy and daddy are fitting the six figure bill so GQ Johnny can flip the APU switch on the "NEXTGEN 9"

 

[xjgearbtch]

Except the NEXTGEN 9... you don't flip the APU switch, you only flip that switch in anger i.e. it broke

 

[Speedtape]

Aviation Science Technology. Wow. What a waste of time, money, and a worthless degree. Unfortunately, there are still thousands of suckers willing to dive deep into debt to acquire such a pointless degree. Save the money for a down payment on a house.

Oh, I forget...............unless mommy and daddy are fitting the six figure bill so GQ Johnny can flip the APU switch on the "NEXTGEN 9"

And your degree is in Quantam Physics?

 

[Superpilot92]

Are you implying that the pilots of Mesaba or Compass do not have degrees?

In my nine years at Mesaba I have only flown with one person that did not have a degree, but even he was working on one through online courses. I cannot say the same for NWA mainline. I know quite a few without a degree. If DAL covets this so much, will they (NWA pilots) not be able to merge? *sarcasm*

Every single person hired in the last round of hiring had a 4 year degree. It was a requirement to get an interview and rightfully so.

 

[Superpilot92]

Aviation Science Technology. Wow. What a waste of time, money, and a worthless degree. Unfortunately, there are still thousands of suckers willing to dive deep into debt to acquire such a pointless degree. Save the money for a down payment on a house.

Oh, I forget...............unless mommy and daddy are fitting the six figure bill so GQ Johnny can flip the APU switch on the "NEXTGEN 9"

While an aviation degree is limiting in what it can be used for its hardly worthless. Its a box that can be checked off on the application. Many of the "good" aviation jobs require a degree. The only people that say a degree is worthless are those that dont have one. If i didnt have my degree i wouldnt have my current job so i would say its not "worthless".

 

[wmuflyguy]

A worthless degree would be one that you have but haven't used in say 10 or 15 year's.

My friend (A captain) who has a degree in Computer Science...except he got it in the early 80's...the Science of Computers have changed a little.

 

[Flybet3]

A worthless degree would be one that you have but haven't used in say 10 or 15 year's.

My friend (A captain) who has a degree in Computer Science...except he got it in the early 80's...the Science of Computers have changed a little.

sooooo In other words you just described just about every sucker who likes to brag about having a degree and has been a pilot for the last 10 to 20 years.

 

[DX Rick]

Also Alot of talk at Comair about merging with Mesaba after the NWA/Delta merger is official. Have you guys been hearing anything?

Also, Mesaba guys. How much are you guys putting into your "Merger Assesment Fund"??

 

[wmuflyguy]

sooooo In other words you just described just about every sucker who likes to brag about having a degree and has been a pilot for the last 10 to 20 years.

Yea pretty much, unless you choose to stay current in your degree field, or had significant work experience (outside of school) prior to your aviation career.

For many fields there is the option of refresher courses...they cost cash (which can be short in a furlough) and take time.

I'm an aviation degree holder, if I get axed, I'm heading to the local university and getting another degree (i'm looking at accounting and finance), while working whatever crap job it takes.

 

[Flybet3]

Yea pretty much, unless you choose to stay current in your degree field, or had significant work experience (outside of school) prior to your aviation career.

For many fields there is the option of refresher courses...they cost cash (which can be short in a furlough) and take time.

I'm an aviation degree holder, if I get axed, I'm heading to the local university and getting another degree (i'm looking at accounting and finance), while working whatever crap job it takes.

Good man, best of luck if anything happens. Thank you for having your feet on the ground.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Every single person hired in the last round of hiring had a 4 year degree. It was a requirement to get an interview and rightfully so.

Rightly so? Are you serious? Can you name one thing that goes on in a modern flight deck that a degree makes better? It's a way to say that we are "professionals" or "white collar", or some other such rubbish...here's an idea...pay us like professionals and treat us like professionals...(and yes, I have a degree)...

 

[DoinTime]

Can you name one thing that goes on in a modern flight deck that a degree makes better?

How about documented proof that an individual is capable of sticking with a program over a protracted period of time to achieve a defined accomplishment regardless of the perceived value?

It might not make you a better pilot but when an employer only has a very limited amount of time to decide on a future employee the applicant without the degree will have the appearance of a deadbeat.

 

[DoinTime]

Aviation Science Technology. Wow. What a waste of time, money, and a worthless degree.

The vast majority of college degrees are either worthless by the time the individual gets to exercise the knowledge or become irrelevant due to career change. A degree in "Aviation Science" or whatever is no better or worse than anything else. If you want to focus on a career path get a masters.