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Hawaiian pilots seeking to settle contract

The union wants to increase wages but the company says high fuel prices pose a challenge


As Hawaiian Airlines prepares for a major fleet expansion, the union that represents its pilots is calling for a resolution to more than a year of contract negotiations.
This month marks one year that the pilots have been flying without a union contract, with talks slated to continue in July between the carrier and the Air Line Pilots Association. The last negotiation talks were held Friday.
The airline may be forced to cut back on flights if the union does not agree to continue short-term relief, provided on a month-to-month basis since the shutdown of Aloha Airlines at the end of March, said Capt. Eric Sampson, chairman of ALPA's Hawaiian Airlines Master Executive Council.
"Crews are being worked to the bone and are asked to give up hours at home," he said. "We still have no light at the end of the tunnel as far as a contract agreement."
Under a new contract, pilots are asking for a wage increase more closely in line with inflation than the 1 percent hike offered by Hawaiian, Sampson said. They have been flying under the same contract since Hawaiian emerged from bankruptcy in 2005. The union represents all of Hawaiian's 313 pilots.
"Hawaiian would like to find a way to increase the pay of its employees as long as it doesn't put the company at a competitive disadvantage," according to a statement e-mailed by Hawaiian. "Given today's record high fuel prices, this presents all of us a significant challenge."
In April, the airline added 6,000 seats to its daily flights, including a reserve Boeing 767-300 widebody aircraft to Maui to help handle demand. Hawaiian has since reduced that additional capacity by about 1,500 and plans to return its 767 as a spare once four Boeing 717s that it has leased are phased into service later this year. Pilots can now fly up to Federal Aviation Administration limits of 100 hours in any calendar month and 120 hours within 30 consecutive days under an agreement made in response to the shutdown of Aloha, as well as the ATA closure on April 2. Other relief that the union has provided has included the agreement in February to allow Hawaiian to buy up to 24 new Airbus planes for a total list-price value of $4.4 billion, and allowing Air New Zealand pilots to fly Hawaiian aircraft to Auckland. Hawaiian will increase its interisland fleet of 717s to 15 with the addition of the four planes, boosting its capacity up to a net 15 percent. Hawaiian operates 150 interisland flights daily between Oahu, Kauai, Maui and the Big Island as well as 16 flights daily to 14 destinations outside Hawaii.
 
Anyone at HAL care to comment on the Air New Zealand pilots flying your aircraft.

I found something about your heavy maintanance being done down there, but why would their pilots do the flying??
 
In the end, I don't think they ever flew one of our planes. Our crews did them all.
 
Anyone at HAL care to comment on the Air New Zealand pilots flying your aircraft.

I found something about your heavy maintanance being done down there, but why would their pilots do the flying??
Actually, the only flying the ANZ pilots did in our airplanes was to fly them on scheduled ANZ flights between Auckland and Sydney. We'd fly a plane down to SYD, and instead of flying the same plane back that night, the returning crew would use the plane that the ANZ crew had flown in from AKL that afternoon. ANZ would then take the new plane back to AKL the next morning and drop it off at the hangar for a C-check.

ANZ crews never flew AKL-HNL with our aircraft because we don't have bunk facilities on our 767's, and they're required by the ANZ pilot contract.

HAL
 
ANZ crews never flew AKL-HNL with our aircraft because we don't have bunk facilities on our 767's, and they're required by the ANZ pilot contract.

HAL


But they could have?
Did management at HAL ask the pilot group for this?

I see ANZ new hires are ALPA but are the guys senior enough to bid/fly the 767?

And is this ok to the folks at ALPA,
give away flying to a international (non-US) carrier?
 
As Hal said, no ANZ pilot's could do any Hawaiian flying. The contract for ANZ to do the heavy checks was money in Hawaiians pocket and we did get something in return (although not much, because I can't even remember what the contract refinement was, but we got a little something). Essentially, we lost nothing and Hawaiian was slightly better off (company and pilots).
 
Dan Roman is right. The ANZ pilots could have flown our 767's HNL-AKL and back if their contract had allowed it without the bunks, and it is something our union agreed to. We don't fly HNL-AKL, and probably won't for a while. ANZ didn't take away anything we already had. Having ANZ do it saved the cost to HA of having to ferry it for 10 hours empty, and they got some cash out of it too, because ANZ paid Hawaiian lease money to use our planes for the flights. Some of that went to the pilot group to compensate us for the flight time we would have accrued by flying the empty ferry flights. So we all came out ahead, and nobody (except for a couple of perennial whiners here) thought we got a raw deal from it.

HAL
 
Sounds like a good deal.

I just never heard of anything like it so was trying to learn something, not whine.

Thanks for taking the time to explain it.
 

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