Not so fast, Airbus!

[t-bone]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aKWqDgmrcOdQ&refer=news

 

[AirBadger]

So Boeing's scandal delayed the program by 4 years, and this decision could extend that yet again by 4 years. Boeing is going to look real stupid if they delay the program for 8 years without bringing anything compelling to the table.

 

[GogglesPisano]

From someone who has time in both Boeing and Airbus cockpits, believe me -- you want the Airbus for an office.

 

[JungleJett]

Yet another delay for the men and women in need of some new equipment.

 

[SIG600]

Agree'd. Boeing screws themselves first with scandal and greed, then delivers a lesser product during an objective competition... and has the gaul to cry foul. Meanwhile the end user and war fighter continues to get screwed. Sorry.. but F_CK YOU Boeing.

 

[PreContact]

What are you guys smoking? Airbus over Boeing? First of all, you guys don't know a thing about tanker ops. The 767 is superior. The A330 can't even refuel every airframe in the inventory, now that's value. Plastic tail Airbus, no thanks. I'll take my 767. Alot more secure during a wake turbilence event. And Airbus is just rip with a vast array of tanker history. They can't even build a military turboprop! I fly tankers, let the ones who know decide.

 

[bagasticks]

What are you guys smoking? Airbus over Boeing? First of all, you guys don't know a thing about tanker ops. The 767 is superior. The A330 can't even refuel every airframe in the inventory, now that's value. Plastic tail Airbus, no thanks. I'll take my 767. Alot more secure during a wake turbilence event. And Airbus is just rip with a vast array of tanker history. They can't even build a military turboprop! I fly tankers, let the ones who know decide.

which airframe CANT the strato-frog refuel?

 

[PreContact]

The A-10 I believe...

 

[McGillicutty]

The A-10 I believe...

What are you basing that on?

 

[JungleJett]

The A-10 I believe...

You believe....or you know for a fact...since you are one of those who "knows"

 

[414Flyer]

which airframe CANT the strato-frog refuel?

UV-18

 

[SIG600]

which airframe CANT the strato-frog refuel?

The Predator

 

[Be 23]

Cv-22?

 

[flyguy75000]

I'm not a military guy...but as a citizen and taxpayer I think it is appalling that the Air Force has the balls to send all those jobs and $35 billion to Europe when our economy is in the shape it is, and getting worse. It may not solve the problem, but it can only make it much much worse. Maybe there have been scandals, that Air Force officials were ALSO guilty of, but it that really reason to give Airbus the contract? Those involved are all in jail. How about the American taxpayers/workers in Wichita, KS or Everett, WA? Do they deserve to be punished and lose their jobs to "make an example" out of a company? Do you think Jean-Luc the riveter in Toulouse is going to come to Disney World on his next vacation?

Think a little more about what this means to AMERICA.

 

[CrewDawg]

I'm not a military guy...but as a citizen and taxpayer I think it is appalling that the Air Force has the balls to send all those jobs and $35 billion to Europe when our economy is in the shape it is, and getting worse. It may not solve the problem, but it can only make it much much worse. Maybe there have been scandals, that Air Force officials were ALSO guilty of, but it that really reason to give Airbus the contract? Those involved are all in jail. How about the American taxpayers/workers in Wichita, KS or Everett, WA? Do they deserve to be punished and lose their jobs to "make an example" out of a company? Do you think Jean-Luc the riveter in Toulouse is going to come to Disney World on his next vacation?

Think a little more about what this means to AMERICA.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/22/america/web.0622airbus.php


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/business/worldbusiness/19tanker.html?ref=business




How about we get a f-in plane to our tanker bro's before one falls out of the sky! It's already happened to one of our fighters and another fighter that is getting more and more problems everyday!

Here's an idea, let the people who are going to utilize this asset decide which one is best fit for the job, not some a$$ clown politician sitting in his cushy office, trying to secure votes for the next election.

FYI.....I am not for or against either plane, I just want a replacement before one of my bro's has to deal with consequences of bureaucratic bull$hit!

 

[flyguy75000]

I respect your opinion, and I am extremely grateful and appreciative of the fact that every one of you that has put yourselves and your families on the line to defend this country.

But the 5000 jobs this is going to create in South Carolina and Alabama is miniscule compared to the 30,000 jobs that will be saved and created if the work is done here. I don't know the safety record of the KC-135, but I haven't heard of any concerns due to severe issues with the current Boeing refueling aircraft (again, I'm not military), nor have I heard of any just randomly dropping out of the sky. However, I work with two tanker guys and they are nothing short of disgusted and upset that our great ally (sarcasm), France, has gotten the nod to supply the greatest military in the world with its new equipment.

My opinion may not mean much, but I have money taken out of my paycheck every two weeks to pay for such invaluable things like a tanker, like 400 million other Americans, and I think we do have the right to voice our opinions. Which is what the politicians have been elected by us to do (whether they do it or not is a whole different discussion).

Regardless of the outcome, I thank all of you for your service to keeping the rest of us and the free world safe. God Bless.

 

[Cobra17]

The GAO sided with Boeing and faulted the Air Force for skewing the selection process in favor of Airbus. How is that Boeing's fault?

Nothing against Airbus, but the B-52 and KC-135 have been around for a few years...I think Boeing has a pretty good track record for long term reliability.

 

[CrewDawg]

-Flyguy-

WOW......I just reread my post and it looks as if I am directing my comments at you. I apologize, that was not the case, I quoted you mainly for the links I provided. The rest of my post was more venting than anything (sorry, bad day).

I am with you I think the jobs should be right here in America. I too, am not a big fan of France and was disgusted when I found out Airbus won the contract. I sure would love to see a Boeing replacement!

 

[CrewDawg]

Double Post

 

[DaveGriffin]

Agree'd. Boeing screws themselves first with scandal and greed, then delivers a lesser product during an objective competition... and has the gaul to cry foul. Meanwhile the end user and war fighter continues to get screwed. Sorry.. but F_CK YOU Boeing.

Read the opinion SIG. The GAO wasn't critical of Airbus and they didn't say Boeing was better. They were simply critical of the AF evaluation and selction process. Don't take it out on Boeing if the AF process is f...d up.

It is a bad situation that our war fighters will go without the new tankers we need for many years. It ain't Boeing's fault, it is the fault of our AF that was run, until recently, by prima donna General Officer fighter pukes. Their only concern is one thing, the perpetuation of the AF fighter pilot culture, not winning wars.