Freedom Parking EMB 145s already

[crjdxr]

pwndom.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Dude,

I guess you took a survey of 1700 pilots?
I forget the exact spread, but I recall about 80% or better voted yes?
That would put me and you near the top of seniority, since I'm still here, and I think you are too?

I've moved up about 200 numbers in the past two years I think, and I'm working on six years.

If 80% or better voted yes, or even 51% voted yes, we have not had 50% attrition since the vote.

It's statements like this that shows the depth to which people think things through, with regard to our contract, company, and virtually any other issue.


Medeco

I agree. I stated that the main reason why it passed was due to the signing bonus and people leaving. A little overboard on the "Most who voted yes are already gone" bit, I agree. How about "Most of those who were leaving voted yes", instead. Much more of a true statement. However, while many expressed their displeasure with the contract, they still voted yes due to the signing bonus, whether they stayed or not. I voted no, for I thought (and still do) that it had holes in it. Many of those holes have come about in Grievances and resulted in MOUs.

Your numbers are right. I'm almost at 6, and I've moved up about 250 in the last 2 years. We'll see what happens when the new list comes out next month.

I firmly believe that if we didn't have a bunch of people leaving at the time that were lured by the bonus, it wouldn't have passed as well or not at all. Another issue was the amount of eligibles that voted. I may be wrong, but only about 75 to 80% of eligibles voted, and 80% of those voted yes. No, it's still not enough to turn the tide, however, too many were lured by the bonus and didn't look at the facts. Most all of the young guns who voted placed a YES check mark because of the bonus.

Hopefully, that won't happen with the FAs. Their max bonus is only approximately $3000 for the top lady, and around $1500 for a 5 year seniority member. It's a shame that it's so low, but hopefully it won't swing them to vote in favor if they don't agree with the real issues.

Our contract was a huge step forward, that's for sure. I'm making more money than before, and have been well over guarantee pay each month on reserve even though I've flown less than 75 hours. The reserve system in itself is much better than it was. However, I've had a couple of almost 16 hour days which I was only paid min day credit for, due to the language regarding duty rigs. I've had a trip where I went to work for a simple day turn and came home 4 days later (welcome to reserve). During that trip, I had a duty rig situation which the company refuses to pay me on because my "original scheduled trip" was only a day line, even though the duty rig occurred on day 3. There's a huge hole there. The intent may have been the originally scheduled day to prevent the company from paying rigs on operational delays, but that's not what the language states.

I understand that no poker player will ever be happy, regardless of what you deal them. That's life. I didn't think our contract TA was what it should have been after over 5 years of negotiations. The holes I saw have proven to be true. I'm sure I didn't see all of them, but the Committee did what they could at the time.

 

[sweptback]

However, I've had a couple of almost 16 hour days which I was only paid min day credit for, due to the language regarding duty rigs. I've had a trip where I went to work for a simple day turn and came home 4 days later (welcome to reserve). During that trip, I had a duty rig situation which the company refuses to pay me on because my "original scheduled trip" was only a day line, even though the duty rig occurred on day 3. There's a huge hole there. The intent may have been the originally scheduled day to prevent the company from paying rigs on operational delays, but that's not what the language states.

So did you file a grievance? I don't think the language supports the company's assertions there.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Yup. To my knowledge, it's supposed to be turning into a group issue due to it happening to quite a few individuals. I haven't talked to anyone from the union in a few weeks, so it may already be resolved as one of the new MOUs.