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For those who still think Delta will be hiring pilots this fall.



Delta exec: Oil price spike won't derail NWA merger
By LIZ FEDOR, Star Tribune

May 29, 2008

The rapid rise in oil prices may have discouraged other airlines from
proposing mergers, but Delta Air Lines President Ed Bastian said his
carrier's merger deal with Northwest Airlines has been successfully
"pressure tested" with oil prices at more than $135 a barrel.

Long before oil hit that price last week, Bastian said Delta's executives
and board members looked at merger models that assumed oil at $135 a barrel
and higher.

"We affirmed to ourselves back then, before oil did reach these levels, that
[a merger] still made sense," Bastian told the Star Tribune.

But Bastian acknowledged that the heavier fuel-cost burdens that Delta and
Northwest are facing has prompted their executive teams to try to speed up
the financial benefits of the merger.

When the deal was unveiled in mid-April, oil was around $110 a barrel.

The two airlines' executives had estimated that it would take three years to
fully capture about $1 billion in merger synergies -- cost savings and
revenue growth.

Now, Bastian said, merger teams have been asked "to come in with a shorter
time frame towards achievement of the synergies and a higher number."
Ultimately, he expects the merger benefits to be "substantially north of $1
billion."

In the seven weeks since Delta proposed an acquisition of Northwest, no
other big mergers have been unveiled and Continental Airlines shocked a
number of industry insiders by walking away from a potential pairing with
United Airlines.

Even as United and US Airways weighed their merger options Thursday, Fitch
Ratings downgraded its debt ratings on those two carriers and raised the
specter of liquidity problems for most U.S. carriers as staggering jet-fuel
bills erode their cash balances.

Northwest CEO Doug Steenland warned employees a week ago that some experts
are predicting oil will reach $140 to $150 a barrel this year, and he
stressed that the airline industry has returned to "survival-of-the-fittest
mode."

In April, Northwest indicated that its domestic capacity would fall by 12.6
percent in the fall. But that's likely not the end to the cutting of
flights. In his message to workers, Steenland said "we will have to look at
further capacity cuts beyond what we've already announced" if oil prices
remain at high levels.

Bastian, who also serves as Delta's chief financial officer, said that
Northwest and Delta are both intent on "preserving liquidity," so they are
each aggressively managing their costs before any merger takes place.

Bastian said he previously estimated that at the end of the year the two
carriers would have about $7 billion in combined liquidity -- roughly $6
billion in cash and access to a $1 billion Delta credit revolver. In light
of higher oil prices, Bastian said he expects that figure will be "a bit
less," but added that it won't alter "the overall economic analysis for
doing the deal."

While the Department of Justice scrutinizes the merger deal, airline fares
are expected to keep climbing, the industry's capacity is projected to
shrink and some airlines may fail.

Bastian said Delta and Northwest would like to close their merger by year's
end.

Delta already had said it would cut domestic seat capacity by 10 percent
after the summer travel season. Now Bastian said more cuts are coming.
However, he said, "It will not be nearly as large as the first round that we
announced earlier this year."

3,000 take Delta buyout offer

This spring, Delta offered voluntary buyout packages to its employees with
the intent of trimming its workforce by 2,000 people.

Bastian said more than 3,000 people volunteered to take severance packages,
and management will accept those offers and reduce the workforce at a higher
rate than it anticipated just a few months ago.

While the price of fuel is the driver behind fare increases and job and
flight-capacity cuts, Delta and Northwest executives say it won't destroy
their fundamental rationale for wanting to do a merger.

"We plan to maintain all of our hubs," said Tammy Lee, Northwest's vice
president of corporate communications. "The cost of fuel will determine
whether further capacity and personnel reductions are required, not the
merger."

But the upfront costs of doing a merger are a key concern of some industry
analysts, including Philip Baggaley of Standard and Poor's. Baggaley has
noted that combining computer systems, jetliner fleets and other
merger-related expenses will be costly.

It all depends on timing

"Depending on the timing of the up-to-$1 billion one-time investment for
merger integration, and the timing of the ramp-up of merger benefits, cash
outlays could exceed benefits in the first year of the merger," Baggaley
wrote in a research report.

But Bastian said he anticipates those costs will be considerably less than
$1 billion. He also noted that several financial benefits are possible in
year one of the merger, including the combination of administrative staffs
and greater purchasing power with vendors.

In 2007, Delta had $19.2 billion in operating revenue, while Northwest's
operations generated $12.5 billion. With their combined $7 billion in
liquidity, executives at the two carriers argue that they will survive the
industry shakeout and do so without a return trip to bankruptcy court. Both
carriers filed for Chapter 11 protection in 2005 and greatly reduced their
costs.

Despite the unprecedented rise in oil prices, Delta executives recently said
they will give their nonunion workers a 3 percent pay raise on July 1.

Bastian said the employees have been running a good airline. But there's one
big reason why he said Delta can afford to pay more -- it will save about $1
billion this year because of a fuel hedging program.

Liz Fedor . 612-673-7709

© 2008 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.
 
i am thinking the next cuts he speaks of are going to be at the regionals. we shall see
 
i am thinking the next cuts he speaks of are going to be at the regionals. we shall see


LOL, keep dreaming. It will be the dinosaur DC-9 jets, before the fuel efficient RJs.

I hate to say it but they are going to furlough after the merger, but thanks for the seniority gain at XJT. Actually, I think I was senior to you, so never mind that last part. LOL
 
LOL, keep dreaming. It will be the dinosaur DC-9 jets, before the fuel efficient RJs.

I hate to say it but they are going to furlough after the merger, but thanks for the seniority gain at XJT. Actually, I think I was senior to you, so never mind that last part. LOL


Yes. And I'm pretty sure all experts agree with you that 50 seat RJ's are the most efficient aircraft operating today and they will be around for years and years to come.
 
It is not the cost, it is the hassle factor!

More people would fly if it wasn't a hassle to get through security:

Survey: Americans made 41 million fewer trips by airplane this year because of hassles

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nearly half of American air travelers would fly more if it were easier, and more than one-fourth said they skipped at least one air trip in the past 12 months because of the hassles involved, according to an industry survey.

The Travel Industry Association, which commissioned the survey released Thursday, estimated that the 41 million forgone trips cost the travel industry $18.1 billion -- including $9.4 billion to airlines, $5.6 billion to hotels and $3.1 billion -- and it cost federal, state and local authorities $4.2 billion in taxes in the past 12 months.

When 28 percent of air travelers avoided an average of 1.3 trips each, that resulted in 29 million leisure trips and 12 million business trips not being taken, the researchers estimated.
The survey results did not address whether travelers chose alternate transportation to pursue any of the journeys they didn't take by plane. The association estimated overall travel industry revenue at $740 billion.

Roger Dow, president and CEO of the Washington, D.C.-based association, said the research "should be a wake-up call to America's policy leaders that the time for meaningful air system reform is now."
"The air travel crisis has hit a tipping point -- more than 100,000 travelers each day are voting with their wallets by choosing to avoid trips," Dow said in a statement.

That's a big blow to airlines, many of which are losing money as the industry struggles with soaring fuel costs. Carriers have raised fares, added fees, cut capacity and scaled back expansion plans, and some small airlines have declared bankruptcy, while Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp. announced plans to combine in an effort to reduce costs.

In all, 44 percent of the 1,003 air travelers surveyed by phone from May 6 to May 13 said they would take more air trips each year if airport hassles could be reduced or eliminated. The survey, conducted by Peter D. Hart Research Associates Inc. and The Winston Group, had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. People who flew more than five times in the past 12 months were more likely to describe air travel as frustrating, at 52 percent, compared with 33 percent of infrequent travelers, defined as people who flew one or two round trips in 12 months, according to the survey.
 
LOL, It will be the dinosaur DC-9 jets that replace alot of the regional feed when the domestic capasity is reduced.

I hate to say it but I am a Homo. thanks for the seniority gain at XJT i might be able to hold my seat now. Actually,


Very insightful thanks. With that said You arent really worth the response but if you think you have long term career protections at XJT you have a rude awakening coming. I for one wont stoop to your level and speculate what i think will happen to your job though. Good luck. I can hold the airbus now though, with all your wisdom should i bid it? :cool:
 
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Superpilot92:

Be careful out there if you bid the bus. It sits up high and Pocono's airplane can get lost under your windshield wiper.

:)

... and replacing a MD88 with a 737-700 is a "capcity reduction" that employs as many, if not more (based on augmented crews for long range ops) pilots at more pay.
 
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Superpilot92:

Be careful out there if you bid the bus. It sits up high and Pocono's airplane can get lost under your windshield wiper.

:)


I am sure i wouldn't see poconopilot anyway because he/she most likely only flies on Microsoft flight sim. LMAO ;)
 
We still haven't received our first 737-700 yet (in July I believe, and 6 this year). We also will get 6 777LRs from Dec 31st to March 31st of 09. I see extra hiring most likely, and those extra cuts are probably RJs.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General:

You gonna bid it? The -700 should have some sweet trips.

Any idea what will become of the 757 fleet?
 
For those who still think Delta will be hiring pilots this fall.

Just got this from another message board...

Barry Wilbur -Director Crew Resources and Scheduling at DAL said in Flight Ops 411 - May 28, 2008 that DAL was the 1st airline to make the domestic "fuel" capacity reductions and if all things stay status-quo DAL will need to hire 150-200 pilots beginning as early a Dec 2008. This is to staff the new 777s that are staffed at 32 pilots per plane.


 
For those who still think Delta will be hiring pilots this fall.

Delta already had said it would cut domestic seat capacity by 10 percent
after the summer travel season.

Patrick.... I think you need to pay attention to ALL of the red words you posted... The key word is Domestic. There still is shifting of airframes from domestic to international markets.
 
Patrick.... I think you need to pay attention to ALL of the red words you posted... The key word is Domestic. There still is shifting of airframes from domestic to international markets.

Yeah, and a lot of those new international routes are a huge gamble at best.

There is a reason the other airlines are not flying to some of the sheetholes that Delta is. What is the profitability of those routes? (and please General, spare me the "I heard from managment that we are raking in TONS of money on those routes!!!)

The proof will be in the pudding. Delta's current hiring was based upon these new routes being successful. If they are not....

POOF! Furlough City baby!
 
Yeah, and a lot of those new international routes are a huge gamble at best.

There is a reason the other airlines are not flying to some of the sheetholes that Delta is. What is the profitability of those routes? (and please General, spare me the "I heard from managment that we are raking in TONS of money on those routes!!!)

The proof will be in the pudding. Delta's current hiring was based upon these new routes being successful. If they are not....

POOF! Furlough City baby!

So, what you are saying, is if MARS ATTACKS, we will furlough, right? I think you are on to something Frank...... Anything can change Frank. What you do not really know is that we have some of the best people in the "bidness" doing the Route Planning. Glen Hauenstein is our VP in charge of that, and he was recruited from Alitalia, and Continental before that. Grinstein actually talked to Gordon Bethune and asked him if Hauenstein was worth the large salary. Bethune said YES, and he has done a great job since our BK finding routes that could be profitable. Some have not worked, and we seem to be pulling out of those sooner. We just announced JFK to Guatemala City, Liberia and San Jose, Costa Rica to stop in September due to projected smaller loads----which could be a seasonal thing, of course. Hauenstein seems to be quicker to pull things or implement things without as much delay, maximizing profit potential instead of wasting cash. He and Bob Cortelu are doing a great job.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
So, what you are saying, is if MARS ATTACKS, we will furlough, right? I think you are on to something Frank...... Anything can change Frank. What you do not really know is that we have some of the best people in the "bidness" doing the Route Planning. Glen Hauenstein is our VP in charge of that, and he was recruited from Alitalia, and Continental before that. Grinstein actually talked to Gordon Bethune and asked him if Hauenstein was worth the large salary. Bethune said YES, and he has done a great job since our BK finding routes that could be profitable. Some have not worked, and we seem to be pulling out of those sooner. We just announced JFK to Guatemala City, Liberia and San Jose, Costa Rica to stop in September due to projected smaller loads----which could be a seasonal thing, of course. Hauenstein seems to be quicker to pull things or implement things without as much delay, maximizing profit potential instead of wasting cash. He and Bob Cortelu are doing a great job.


Bye Bye--General Lee

As in "top men" from Indiana Jones?
 
General:

You gonna bid it? The -700 should have some sweet trips.

Any idea what will become of the 757 fleet?

Ummm, yes. I have heard some new routes on the 737-700 will be hot and high like Quito and Vail, and other special missions that the 738 may not be able to handle. Since the pay will be the same as the 738 eventually, I don't think those trips will be junior, so it may be tougher to get that ellusive "Vail layover."(although Quito isn't tough to get on the ER (757)---a 3 day worth about 11 hours). I hope to be able to bid it for the next entitlement, although I am also looking at the 765 (only another 9 month hold) to see some larger cities in Europe and HNL 3 day trips worth almost 20 hours. We'll see. It is nice to have options.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
So, what you are saying, is if MARS ATTACKS, we will furlough, right? I think you are on to something Frank...... Anything can change Frank. What you do not really know is that we have some of the best people in the "bidness" doing the Route Planning. Glen Hauenstein is our VP in charge of that, and he was recruited from Alitalia, and Continental before that. Grinstein actually talked to Gordon Bethune and asked him if Hauenstein was worth the large salary. Bethune said YES, and he has done a great job since our BK finding routes that could be profitable. Some have not worked, and we seem to be pulling out of those sooner. We just announced JFK to Guatemala City, Liberia and San Jose, Costa Rica to stop in September due to projected smaller loads----which could be a seasonal thing, of course. Hauenstein seems to be quicker to pull things or implement things without as much delay, maximizing profit potential instead of wasting cash. He and Bob Cortelu are doing a great job.
Bye Bye--General Lee

First of all, how would you know if they are doing a "great job?" Are you privy to all of the financials inside of the BOD meetings? Are Delta's financials outshining everyone else, or are they sucking just as bad or worse? Looking at the public disclosures, it is clearly the latter.

The funny thing is, if you ask me or any other airline executive if we are worth our bloated salaries, we will always, unequivocally answer in the affirmative.

Most of the airline employees seem to think that is a bunch of crap but I am glad to see you are a true believer!
 
First of all, how would you know if they are doing a "great job?" Are you privy to all of the financials inside of the BOD meetings? Are Delta's financials outshining everyone else, or are they sucking just as bad or worse? Looking at the public disclosures, it is clearly the latter.

The funny thing is, if you ask me or any other airline executive if we are worth our bloated salaries, we will always, unequivocally answer in the affirmative.

Most of the airline employees seem to think that is a bunch of crap but I am glad to see you are a true believer!

How do I know they are doing a great job? Compared to the guys that left during BK, I would say they are doing VERY WELL. Do you even know who was in charge of that before our BK? Well, SHE was horrible, and we are very lucky to have Hauenstein. He has tapped into great markets and put us on a good path towards profitability. The problem here is FUEL. (get that in your noggin Frank)

And, I think our financials ARE BETTER than any Legacy out there. Southwest does well because of the hedges, and same with Alaska. (they have 50% at $70 a barrel) We are number 3, and we are acquiring NWA to get some of their $3 billion in cash---to amass $7 billion total to get us through this fuel crisis. Man Frank, you can't see the forest through the trees. I think Hauenstein and Cortelu are worth their salaries. Others in the business are NOT, but they are. But, you of course know better....... And believe it or not those two come to newhire introductions and Incommand seminars (new Captains)---and they do impress. Luckily you will never meet them.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Frank,

Liquidation isn't the only way to make money. At least give the guys at Delta credit for trying to fly their way out of a profit loss after bankruptcy.

Max power, pitch up, speed brakes in, pilot monitoring calls revenue trends.
 
And, I think our financials ARE BETTER than any Legacy out there.

They're not. Q2 results will come out and show this.

GL said:
We are number 3, and we are acquiring NWA to get some of their $3 billion in cash---to amass $7 billion total to get us through this fuel crisis. Bye Bye--General Lee

Ummm...hello....you will have more cash, but a much larger airline that will be burning through the cash just as fast. (DC-9's and 747's drinking gas like Doug Parker goes through beer) Your own executives admit that it will cost $1B just to consummate this merger. As far as your "cash" estimate goes, you can throw that right out the window. Your Ed Bastard even admits (right in the article) that your cash on hand will be less than the stated figure.

I also like how Tammy Lee is floating trial balloons for future layoffs and cuts in service. Yeah... it's not because of the merger....it's because of "high oil."

Whatever you say Tammy. I have to admit that I am envious of the way these executives are lying through their teeth! It's almost as if I have trained them.....PERSONALLY!

I'll save your executive team the phone call and have Harvey Miller call them.
 
They're not. Q2 results will come out and show this.



Ummm...hello....you will have more cash, but a much larger airline that will be burning through the cash just as fast. (DC-9's and 747's drinking gas like Doug Parker goes through beer) Your own executives admit that it will cost $1B just to consummate this merger. As far as your "cash" estimate goes, you can throw that right out the window. Your Ed Bastard even admits (right in the article) that your cash on hand will be less than the stated figure.

I also like how Tammy Lee is floating trial balloons for future layoffs and cuts in service. Yeah... it's not because of the merger....it's because of "high oil."

Whatever you say Tammy. I have to admit that I am envious of the way these executives are lying through their teeth! It's almost as if I have trained them.....PERSONALLY!

I'll save your executive team the phone call and have Harvey Miller call them.

Thanks Frank, do you have the Lotto numbers too? Riiiiiiight. So anyway, I believe our chances of surviving this mess are better than most, and so does Ed Bastain, the guy you claim is lying. . You need to re-read this article again. Also, I don't know which planes could be parked, but I bet you might be right---some of those DC9s and 742s may not make it through the process. If that is true, the NWA guys will take the brunt of that----and when they ask for fences for the 744s, our guys will also make sure they fence the DC9s.

As far as cash flow, if we EVER need more, we can ask our buddies in France---they will easily make an investment in our future---heck, they wanted to do that initially with the NWA acquisition. They wanted to throw $750 million to us, and we said we didn't need it. But, I am sure we could get it if we did need it. Did Ed Bastain make a mistake by not accepting it? Maybe he knows more than you do about Delta's actual liquidity and upcoming debt payments etc. Imagine that? Frank Lorenzo NOT knowing it all. Refreshing, actually. And you can save your call to Harvey Miller.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
some of those DC9s and 742s may not make it through the process. If that is true, the NWA guys will take the brunt of that----and when they ask for fences for the 744s, our guys will also make sure they fence the DC9s.

I wasn't just referring to NWA's DC-9's. Your beloved MD-88's and other sundry Douglas products are...... drum-roll please......DC-9's.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome aboard Delta Air Lines! Sit back, relax, and enjoy tonight's in-flight movie.... 'Titanic' ....."
 
I wasn't just referring to NWA's DC-9's. Your beloved MD-88's and other sundry Douglas products are...... drum-roll please......DC-9's.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome aboard Delta Air Lines! Sit back, relax, and enjoy tonight's in-flight movie.... 'Titanic' ....."

So, is a 737-900 the same as a 737-200? Come on Frank, let's see how much you really know about planes, you ran a airline, right? I guess not. The MD88 has an FMS and autothrottle, both of which can help with fuel burns, which save money for the company. An MD88 carries more people, which can lower the CASM. The MD88 is quieter, and has better range---ours go to Roatan, Honduras twice on Saturdays, and all the way to St Croix on Saturdays too. The DC9 cannot even come close. Good try again Frank. You are probably watching a different movie-----"Bird Cage" with Robin Williams and Nathan Lane.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Rantings of a Lunatic!!!

Thanks Frank, do you have the Lotto numbers too? Riiiiiiight. So anyway, I believe our chances of surviving this mess are better than most, and so does Ed Bastain, the guy you claim is lying. . You need to re-read this article again. Also, I don't know which planes could be parked, but I bet you might be right---some of those DC9s and 742s may not make it through the process. If that is true, the NWA guys will take the brunt of that----and when they ask for fences for the 744s, our guys will also make sure they fence the DC9s.

As far as cash flow, if we EVER need more, we can ask our buddies in France---they will easily make an investment in our future---heck, they wanted to do that initially with the NWA acquisition. They wanted to throw $750 million to us, and we said we didn't need it. But, I am sure we could get it if we did need it. Did Ed Bastain make a mistake by not accepting it? Maybe he knows more than you do about Delta's actual liquidity and upcoming debt payments etc. Imagine that? Frank Lorenzo NOT knowing it all. Refreshing, actually. And you can save your call to Harvey Miller.


Bye Bye--General Lee


Once again we see that the General has lost all touch with reality....

Air France agreed to invest in the merger under the ORIGINAL TERMS...... When that fell through, they dumped the offer. DAL at no point "said they didn't need the cash." That is absolutely nuts!

Just about as nuts as your statement that the BK recovery plan being based on oil prices of $72 per barrel..... You denial means nothiing-it is still absolutely true-public disclosure, you nut job!

Par for the course, Gen... Just get back to your collection of severed puppy heads.

-You have officially lost your ever-loving mind!
 
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Valdosta, Flint, Valdosta, Flint.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Once again we see that the General has lost all touch with reality....
Once again we jhome trying to touch the General!

Air France agreed to invest in the merger under the ORIGINAL TERMS...... When that fell through, they dumped the offer. DAL at no point "said they didn't need the cash." That is absolutely nuts!
Wow, all this intelligence and the best employment you can get was an f/o position at ASA?? BF surprise!

Just about as nuts as your statement that the BK recovery plan being based on oil prices of $72 per barrel..... You denial means nothiing-it is still absolutely true-public disclosure, you nut job!
Speaking of nuts, just how do you manage to speak with your mouth full of them?


Par for the course, Gen... Just get back to your collection of severed puppy heads.

-You have officially lost your ever-loving mind!

And you still keep trying to get a date with him!
I bet your shrink has made $$thousands off you!:laugh: I'm just wondering how some small man like you can afford it on your stellar paycheck!:laugh:
Now quick, sign out, and back in as tanker clown with one of your famous BK snipits in, 3.........2.........1.........

737
 

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