Southwest Airlines Reaffirms Its Two-Item Free Baggage Allowance

[Bake]

SWA has reduced the luxury of flying to that of taking the Greyhound bus. Thanks you corndog losers.


Your welcome. Just be sure and call me a loser when you're mowing my grass you freakin' man pleaser.

 

[Dude]

Most of us wouldn't be on this board having such conversations if it weren't for Southwest Airlines' business model and the Deregulation Act. Before SWA less than 15% of adults had ever ridden on an airplane. As for cost, we weren't the only whores in the sky willing to give more for less. Texas Air, Braniff, and a few others did it too. We just did it better, because it was never our intention to compete with other airlines in the first place. We competed directly with ground transportation. As for the service; you certainly got more bang for your buck. This is especially true today. Southwest's ability to keep costs low, innovate, reward productivity, and do what others were unwilling are a fwe reasons this conersation even exists. Trying to explain to most of you terminal-legacy guys the whofors and whynots of SWA is like trying to describe the wonders of sex to a virgin; or an orgasm to a Delta pilot's wife.

Seriously, this industry has been intellectually bankrupt ever since Juan Trippe convinced the government to pay him whether the goods arrived or not. Competition and survival of the fittest are the only two things that will make this industry and whole. The labor lobby and political posturing have kept too many companies around at the expense of the healthy. Passengers have had enough of being held hostage by $hit service and ridiculous pricing in uncontested markets.

The red-bellied warriors on this board don't gloat; they celebrate and defend their company. We are proud of our airline and do not relish in the failure of others. We have shared cockpits with many from other companies and understand that it is not their decisions that fail them, but that of their management. They just happened to work for folks that do not value their people or customers. Sad.

 

[waveflyer]

yeah-this is where all the free market/capitalist (of which i am one) republicans that helped to vote in anti-labor Bush, now get vehemently anti-capitalist..... it's a page out of 'Atlas Shrugged' or Hmm in 'Who moved my Cheese' and it's pathetic and frustrating to have my own career tied to you guys.

the legacies are not a good product-- to argue that they are is silly.

The only mystery in this game is why the legacies have not adopted SWA's management style- ie: employees first -> customers-> investors--but then again, as much as most legacy pilots trash SWA, would legacy managements be rewarded for such investment in their employees? I don't know that answer- many times, i think not- it's ridiculous- and i agree Dude-- it's sad.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Wave, the reality is that if SWA does not continue down that road, we will be like everyone else.

Hey Bake, the legacys have reduced the idea of making money to that of the federal gov't.

 

[waveflyer]

true enough-- it's a point i've made often-- our seniority systems can trap us in what used to be great companies- but then become awful ones. Honestly hope that doesn't happen to WN

 

[Donald]

No, seems your goal is to cause every other airline out there to nickel and dime their labor. AA tries to do something to makeup for the horrendously low fares they must charge to keep from losing their customers to the bottom feeders, and what does southworst do? What they always do. Every legacy carrier out there has announced significant capacity cuts come 4th qtr, so that they may gain some pricing power, and what does southworst do, what they always do, just increase capacity as they are doing in denver. Bottom line....if it erodes the pilot profession, southworst will take the lead. And don't anyone dare mention their pathetic 190 bucks an hour 737 pay. Because it pales in comparison to what the UAL and DAL pilots would be earning these days if their contracts were not thrown away, and what the others would be at as they followed suit.




Pipe, you must hate capitalism and everything it stands for. Do you protest Walmart and Target stores too?

 

[mdf]

Most of us wouldn't be on this board having such conversations if it weren't for Southwest Airlines' business model and the Deregulation Act. Before SWA less than 15% of adults had ever ridden on an airplane. As for cost, we weren't the only whores in the sky willing to give more for less. Texas Air, Braniff, and a few others did it too. We just did it better, because it was never our intention to compete with other airlines in the first place. We competed directly with ground transportation. As for the service; you certainly got more bang for your buck. This is especially true today. Southwest's ability to keep costs low, innovate, reward productivity, and do what others were unwilling are a fwe reasons this conersation even exists. Trying to explain to most of you terminal-legacy guys the whofors and whynots of SWA is like trying to describe the wonders of sex to a virgin; or an orgasm to a Delta pilot's wife.

Seriously, this industry has been intellectually bankrupt ever since Juan Trippe convinced the government to pay him whether the goods arrived or not. Competition and survival of the fittest are the only two things that will make this industry and whole. The labor lobby and political posturing have kept too many companies around at the expense of the healthy. Passengers have had enough of being held hostage by $hit service and ridiculous pricing in uncontested markets.

The red-bellied warriors on this board don't gloat; they celebrate and defend their company. We are proud of our airline and do not relish in the failure of others. We have shared cockpits with many from other companies and understand that it is not their decisions that fail them, but that of their management. They just happened to work for folks that do not value their people or customers. Sad.

Thanks Dude!,

That about sums it all up. We can put this thread to rest, and if pipe is still not happy, I volunteer to put the training wheels back on his bicycle for him.

 

[GFunk20]

Man that's pretty ignorant to think the only reason Southwest is successful is cause of a "fuel gamble." Good lord.

I'd like to see the legacies provide the same friendly service or do a 20 minute turn.

Many legacies I have jumpseated on can't even get a jetbridge/gate agent to arrive in that amount of time.

Like it or not, customers pay the paychecks and nickle/diming them isn't the answer.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Man that's pretty ignorant to think the only reason Southwest is successful is cause of a "fuel gamble." Good lord.

I'd like to see the legacies provide the same friendly service or do a 20 minute turn.

Many legacies I have jumpseated on can't even get a jetbridge/gate agent to arrive in that amount of time.

Like it or not, customers pay the paychecks and nickle/diming them isn't the answer.

And where do you think SWA would be if the gamble had failed? I think you might need to examine your quarterly reports to understand this.

 

[olympus593]

Passengers have had enough of being held hostage by $hit service and ridiculous pricing in uncontested markets.

Somebody drug test this guy what have they put in the koolaid, You get the F/I tool of the year award.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

or an orgasm to a Delta pilot's wife.


As a NWA pilot you just made me spew my coffee. Thanks. On another note, I think some are getting sick of the arrogance of a FEW swa pilots. I think they are the minority by far though. I have a few relatives that are pilots and flight attds. there and all are very humble and know enough about this industry to know they are a couple of bad mgmt mistakes away from where we are. I guess my point is enjoy your time at the top with grace and dignity unlike the AA pilots of the 80s, UAL of the 90s etc. We at NWA never got the big head because we are use to being treated like ********************. It is that Minnesota nice thing they got going on up there in the frozen white north.

 

[Dizel8]

Pipe, you must hate capitalism and everything it stands for. Do you protest Walmart and Target stores too?

Cannot speak for Pipe, but I for one no fan of Walmart and I don't think you really want to compare SWA to Walmart.

Walmarts employee relation is atrocius, their benefits are a joke, they are staunchly anti union, have no problems with putting american flags on goods made in China, etc, etc. I suppose you could call it capitalism run amok.

I doubt the great Sam Walton would be proud of what Walmart stands for today, just like Herb would be sad, if Frank Lorenzo/JO style tactics happened at LUV.

 

[imacdog]

Somebody drug test this guy what have they put in the koolaid, You get the F/I tool of the year award.

No he's fairly spot on, service on the legacies is pretty poor compared with Southwest.

 

[Donald]

Cannot speak for Pipe, but I for one no fan of Walmart and I don't think you really want to compare SWA to Walmart.

Walmarts employee relation is atrocius, their benefits are a joke, they are staunchly anti union, have no problems with putting american flags on goods made in China, etc, etc. I suppose you could call it capitalism run amok.

I agree, but we have been called the "Walmart" of the airlines. I also agree that Southwest is only a few mgt mistakes away from the same situation at the other airlines.

 

[jmreii]

Cannot speak for Pipe, but I for one no fan of Walmart and I don't think you really want to compare SWA to Walmart.

Walmarts employee relation is atrocius, their benefits are a joke, they are staunchly anti union, have no problems with putting american flags on goods made in China, etc, etc. I suppose you could call it capitalism run amok.

I agree, but we have been called the "Walmart" of the airlines. I also agree that Southwest is only a few mgt mistakes away from the same situation at the other airlines.

Everybody makes mistakes, and there will be a but, some people's mistakes are the type of mistake that need to cost you your head literally.