Arrow Cargo..WOW!

[Otto77]

Anyone know the story here? Wow!

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6247693

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Wow!
Density altitude check?

CE

 

[Otto77]

Wow!
Density altitude check?

CE

yes and TOLD gone way wrong?! scary for sure!

 

[big pimpn']

Uh.....

 

[b707guy]

Gear appears to be already in transit. A sporty flyby, or maybe a little photoshop action???

 

[The_Russian]

Not a lot of flaps there....huh? But, I have no experience with the -10.

 

[cherry20's]

Looks like not enough flaps?

 

[MD11Drvr]

It sounds like it was a 12,000 foot runway and if they got the weight wrong or more than likely south of the border they were given the wrong weights runway analysis could give you small flap setting. It appears they are using dial-a-flap performance and if figured long runway and light weight the flap setting may be 5 to 8 degrees. It will increase your ground roll but it helps in the second segment climb. Taking off with flaps 15 + degrees is alot of drag and the airplane does not accelerate well until the flaps are retracted. More than once in South America they would weigh the flowers or asparagus and then water them never accounting for the water and giving a max load to boot. Its just how things happen sometimes down there.......

 

[30West]

Or in BOG you tell them to take off 6,000lb, they remove the pallet, reshuffle the same stuff and put it right back on and tell you it's good to go now.

The Old Lady can happily eat up 12,000ft of runway and have room for dessert.

 

[MDWCrashPad]

I'm always amazed at the assumptions pilots make without knowing any of the facts. There are several very simple possible explanations:

1. They were merely landing long;

2. They put the engines in reverse and were landing backwards;

3. The engines were off, they stalled, and they were falling straight down onto the runway;

4. They were taking off in China when the earthquake hit lifting the ground up, almost striking the plane.

 

[mushroom]

The photo was taken in Budapest, not "south of the border."

 

[MD11Drvr]

The photo was taken in Budapest, not "south of the border."

Well if it was Budapest it could have been a bad Kilos to pounds conversion. All speculation related to what appears to be a minimum flap setting. Did I strike a chord with the south of the border observation or are you a stickler for details.

I have flown South of the Border and I have briefly worked for Arrow Air, so hard to say what it may be but they have some good crews working in sometimes very tough places around the world.

 

[wickedride]

Damn---I think i'd have my eyes closed by that point and the seat cushion to far up to be removed!!!!

Have you seen this IL-76 in Australia??
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aWtdtuspnoM

The Non-sched world is crazy( at times). Imagine if they had cameras back in the day everywhere when Buffalo, Trans Con, Kallitta, just name a few others were everywhere.
Later
WickedRide

 

[Birddog]

"See, I told you we could get that last pallet on"

 

[dojetdriver]

I'm guessing photo shop. Looking at the photo, does anybody think the gear would be that far in transit that soon after lift off?

And I'm no expert on the MF'n-10, but wouldn't the inner gear doors be open at this point to allow the wheels to stow?

It's not like it's a 737 and doesn't have them.

 

[inline]

I think it's a doctored pic.

 

[l8fr82hub]

If thats doctored then they did a great job; even the shadow looks real.

 

[MrSky]

If you zoom way in on the photo, the pixel size on the background and on the Aircraft are identical. My if it's photoshopped they did a great job.

 

[mushroom]

Well if it was Budapest it could have been a bad Kilos to pounds conversion. All speculation related to what appears to be a minimum flap setting. Did I strike a chord with the south of the border observation or are you a stickler for details.

I have flown South of the Border and I have briefly worked for Arrow Air, so hard to say what it may be but they have some good crews working in sometimes very tough places around the world.

No, no nerve struck. I have flown into/out of Bogota and Quito, subcontracting for Arrow, with a 747. I have also flown out of a sea-level airport and almost had my F/E kill all of us because he figured the T/O data and power setting incorrectly (substitute a 747 in the picture which is the subject of this thread, except possibly even lower to the ground at the end of the runway).

Also, I doubt that photo is fake. The comments about the gear retracting or whatever...for one thing, wouldn't the nose doors be open already if the gear was coming up? I think they just look like they are not down because of a parallax effect from the photograph, or the photographer panning his camera at the time, or something.

But I would say that it's always a good idea for the ENTIRE crew to review the data that were used to calculate the TOLD card, for at least one crewmember to actively monitor the loading process if possible, and for someone to walk the freight after it is loaded with load sheet in hand to confirm the positions and the weights. That Arrow plane was missing a tragedy by about another 500 feet.

 

[texarkana]

Whatever happened I'm glad those guys are ok. You don't always know when what they say weighs 3000LB is really MUCH heavier. I was in a smaller plane, but those semi's on the highway were pretty damn big...