annual on cherokee 6

[hawker]

I was asked by a business owner if I was interested in doing his annual on his 6. I am a corporate pilot and have some free time once in a while. So I talked to a couple of associates that work at some GA shops and they said it flat rates at 24 hours. so I told him for $800 I would do it. It is a clean AC. He about fell off his chair. He takes it to a shop and they will do it for $350. Am I way off or is he getting a really good deal.

Thanks for any input.
hawk

 

[avbug]

Three fifty is a pencil whip annual. Let him go do it, but don't put yourself at risk by flying it afterward.

Eight hundred is fair. So long as he knows that's just an inspection with no work. Work is extra.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Three fifty is a pencil whip annual. Let him go do it, but don't put yourself at risk by flying it afterward.

Eight hundred is fair. So long as he knows that's just an inspection with no work. Work is extra.

I pay $200 for the inspection of my 150 and any discrepancies are fixed at an extra cost from a mechanic of my choice usually the guy doing the annual if he has time. My 150 averages about $500 to $1000 a year for it's annual.

Just went out the other day someone again swiped my solar float charger battery was weak so took home placed on charger tested cells 4 out of 6 dead.... tested fine at annual in January! $150.00 for a battery oh well!! now when I am gone for 2 months I will take it out and stick it in the shop.

 

[erj-145mech]

battery was weak so took home placed on charger tested cells 4 out of 6 dead.... tested fine at annual in January! $150.00 for a battery oh well!! now when I am gone for 2 months I will take it out and stick it in the shop.

How old was your battery (calendar time)? January was five months ago, a lot of things happen in five months.

 

[avbug]

Two hundred dollars is a dirt cheap pencil whip annual.

 

[erj-145mech]

Two hundred dollars is a dirt cheap pencil whip annual.

I'd say, can't even scratch the surface of FAR 43 App D for 200 bucks. Maybe the IA is independently wealthy?

 

[avbug]

Just another IA pencil whipping annuals.

Doesn't speak highly of the people who use them, either.

 

[hawker]

thanks

After some reviewing my conversation with him, I do believe you guys or gals are correct. He just wanted me to sign off the annual and tell him how nice his ac is. When I told him 850 plus parts and material for an oil change ,he said it was just changed. I said ok than just a filter to cut the old one open and inspect it. he looked at me like I had 3 eyes.

 

[NW_Pilot]

I'd say, can't even scratch the surface of FAR 43 App D for 200 bucks. Maybe the IA is independently wealthy?

Yea, I assist takes a 12-15 hour job makes it 6 to 8 and the $200.00 is just the 6 to 8 hour inspection only... Any repairs are billed at $25.00 an hour $35.00 if he gives instruction and supervision.

He used to be a FAA Inspector and DAR before he retired

$800+ for the inspection of a Cherokee SIX is not that bad my IA said assisted would be $700+

 

[avbug]

For one thing, unlike a 100 hour inspection, an annual inspection may not be delegated. 6-8 hours is insufficient for an annual inspection. The paperwork and logbook search takes that long or longer. A full AD search, 337 search,and examination of the logbooks is necessary and required.

No, when you're paying two hundred for an annual, whether you pick up a screwdriver to open panels or not, whether you put a bucket under the sump and drain oil or not, whether you clean spark plugs or not, it's a cut rate, improper, pencil whipped annual. Two hundred bucks is absolutely insufficient for a proper inspection.

One who seeks out such chop rate priced work is just as guilty as the person doing it, and it speaks just as poorly for the customer as it does for the IA performin the work. Moreover, it's an embarassment to the industry.

For you, NW pilot, it's exactly what most of us would expect.

 

[NW_Pilot]

For one thing, unlike a 100 hour inspection, an annual inspection may not be delegated. 6-8 hours is insufficient for an annual inspection. The paperwork and logbook search takes that long or longer. A full AD search, 337 search,and examination of the logbooks is necessary and required.

No, when you're paying two hundred for an annual, whether you pick up a screwdriver to open panels or not, whether you put a bucket under the sump and drain oil or not, whether you clean spark plugs or not, it's a cut rate, improper, pencil whipped annual. Two hundred bucks is absolutely insufficient for a proper inspection.

One who seeks out such chop rate priced work is just as guilty as the person doing it, and it speaks just as poorly for the customer as it does for the IA performin the work. Moreover, it's an embarassment to the industry.

For you, NW pilot, it's exactly what most of us would expect.

I am not seeking out a CHOP rate! The Local shop wants $600.00 thats at $90.00 an hour and knowing that one of their mechanic trainee's is on meth like hell I will use them. So at $25.00 an hour for a guy thats been doing it longer then 2 of my lifetimes is a good friend price.

All my logs ad's etc. are nice and neat and my IA don't charge for the paperwork research in the annual unless it's really bad.

He also has a flat rate of $500.00 for a Export C of A thats a paperwork nightmare most of the time due to IA's that mess up paperwork missing 337's etc.

Like the local shop messing up a 337 and book entry which cost me few hours extra from my IA for a conformity inspection and paperwork correction.
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Now back to the topic! The Cherokee Six! My Local shop here for 24 hours @ $90.00 $2,160 is what they would charge and take a month or two because they are so busy.

hawker's rate of $800.00 is a fair price if I had a SIX and he has some good references and he let me help and learn I would let him do the inspection thats just a little over $33.00 an hour.

I Pay $25 Now!! I am sure with cost of living going up rapidly my guys rate may top $35 next year.

hawker, it's guys like you that keeps aviation affordable.

 

[avbug]

The Local shop wants $600.00 thats at $90.00 an hour

You start your statement in error. You're assuming that the airplane only requires a few hours to inspect...which isn't the case. Not if it's done properly. No...you're getting a cheap, poor inspection with only a few hours involved, and trying to assume everyone else will do such a sad job, too.

A couple hundred dollars for a annual inspection is a pathetic price to charge, lowers the bar for the business, speaks very poorly of the person doing the work, charging the amount, and the owner to pays it.

It speaks very poorly of you.

 

[erj-145mech]

Yea, I assist takes a 12-15 hour job makes it 6 to 8 and the $200.00 is just the 6 to 8 hour inspection only... Any repairs are billed at $25.00 an hour $35.00 if he gives instruction and supervision.

Do you sign off your "work" (preventive maintenance) in the log book?

 

[NW_Pilot]

You start your statement in error. You're assuming that the airplane only requires a few hours to inspect...which isn't the case. Not if it's done properly. No...you're getting a cheap, poor inspection with only a few hours involved, and trying to assume everyone else will do such a sad job, too.

A couple hundred dollars for a annual inspection is a pathetic price to charge, lowers the bar for the business, speaks very poorly of the person doing the work, charging the amount, and the owner to pays it.

It speaks very poorly of you.

An annual inspection is just that an inspection!!! A Cessna 150 is not that complex of an aircraft.

I have had an annual inspection signed off with discrepancies because I wanted to have another mechanic of my choice do the work.

I don't trust most mechanics.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Do you sign off your "work" (preventive maintenance) in the log book?

Yes, FAR 43.100 Items.

Anything else is done by an a&p mechanic.

 

[avbug]

I don't trust most mechanics.

That's not surprising. Also not surprising is that nobody trusts you.

Your credibility and judgement, of which you openly brag (and post on the web) frequently make you an object of ridicule, like a signpost of mental density. There's something about the way you operate in which you just don't "get it." Most agree that given a little time, you'll nearly certainly be a smoking hole in the ground, or a splash in the water somewhere.

You seem to revel in your inexperience, celebrate your own ignorance...and then in true arrogance, ignore it completely.

Of course, as you're quite the expert on what's required to conduct the inspection...why aren't you doing them yourself. Oh, that's right. You're not qualified. How about that? Perhaps not such an expert after all.

You're performing all your preventative maintenance from current publications to which you hold a subscription, using calibrated tools, to the same standard required of any certificated mechanic?

 

[NW_Pilot]

Whatever Avbug.... The Expert is who I hire to do the inspection.... I am just there to learn when things are being done to my plane.

As I said $800.00 is a good price for an annual on a Six!

I wonder what Avbug would charge for a Annual inspection with no discrepancies fixed or parts or what he thinks is a good price for a six and a 150!

 

[avbug]

That would really depend. You don't have enough money to entice me to work on your aircraft, so it's not happening at any price. For someone else, it's a different matter entirely.

 

[NW_Pilot]

That would really depend. You don't have enough money to entice me to work on your aircraft, so it's not happening at any price. For someone else, it's a different matter entirely.

More Hot Air Filling Avbug's Head!

I would not trust you to turn a wrench on my car let alone an airplane. I was speaking in general about what you think is fair price any six or any 150 for an inspection only.. no parts, no repairs, just as is says inspection!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

That's not surprising. Also not surprising is that nobody trusts you.

Your credibility and judgement, of which you openly brag (and post on the web) frequently make you an object of ridicule, like a signpost of mental density. There's something about the way you operate in which you just don't "get it." Most agree that given a little time, you'll nearly certainly be a smoking hole in the ground, or a splash in the water somewhere.

You seem to revel in your inexperience, celebrate your own ignorance...and then in true arrogance, ignore it completely.

Of course, as you're quite the expert on what's required to conduct the inspection...why aren't you doing them yourself. Oh, that's right. You're not qualified. How about that? Perhaps not such an expert after all.

You're performing all your preventative maintenance from current publications to which you hold a subscription, using calibrated tools, to the same standard required of any certificated mechanic?

No offense to NW_Pilot , but this is a pretty funny response from Avbug. Avbug does a good job with dry wit humor.