look like this is where the jobs are....

[LearLove]

with all the major(s) hiring grinding to a halt (not that is was going at a fast pace to start with) it looks like this may be the best thing going (outside NJA).

pack your bags boys - its time to take this career on the road.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/3951065/

Emirates plans 450-plane fleet by 2020

United Arab Emirates: 16 hours, 14 minutes ago
The head of Emirates Airlines said yesterday that the carrier will have more than 450 aircraft in its fleet by 2020, reported Gulf News. Shaikh Ahmad Bin Saeed Al Maktoum, President of Dubai Civil Aviation Authority and Chairman and Chief Executive of Emirates Group, said the airline plans to increase its fleet size from 115 now to 200 by 2012 to support its widening route network and increase service frequencies. Emirates currently has 243 planes on order with a total estimated value of $60bn. It is scheduled to take delivery of 22 planes this year.

 

[generaltso]

where are they getting all the money for this? wait, nevermind.

 

[mullet]

Guaranteed 8 days off a month. No thanks!

 

[SKYLAWYER]

Guaranteed 8 days off a month. No thanks!

Some of the other industry options might be guaranteeing 30 days off a month very soon. I'll take 8 over 30 any day.

 

[AirBadger]

Guaranteed 8 days off a month. No thanks!

Yeah but think of all the great things you can do in Abu Dhabi on your days off like shopping ... well I guess that's it.

 

[F/O]

where are they getting all the money for this? wait, nevermind.

Actually oil only consists of about 5% of Dubai's GDP.

 

[Andrew_VT]

where are they getting all the money for this? wait, nevermind.

haha nice...

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Actually oil only consists of about 5% of Dubai's GDP.

So true, and 94% also comes from light sweet crude. How silly of us!

 

[typhoonpilot]

Guaranteed 8 days off a month. No thanks!

While that is the legal minimum it isn't anywhere near reality. Average is significantly more than that. Plus we have numerous trips that end at 0100 in the morning. That is considered a work day.

The reality is that I have a lot of time home with my family. More than I can remember at any other job in the last 20 years.

where are they getting all the money for this? wait, nevermind.

That's original and shows a clear lack of knowledge about the city. As F/O correctly points out, Dubai isn't an oil rich State. They are a business and tourist hub with a little bit of oil.

Yeah but think of all the great things you can do in Abu Dhabi on your days off like shopping ... well I guess that's it.

Of course you'd have to drive to Abu Dhabi first. That's the city next door to Dubai ( where Emirates is located by the way ).

When you're done with the mall you could always go to the beach.

YMMV, but Emirates has been very good to me from both a career standpoint and financially. If guys want to keep their preconceived notions about the Middle East that's fine, but it's a heck of a good lifestyle and far better than most U.S. carriers at the moment.


Typhoonpilot

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Or investments from the prior oil sales. I love people that say that. It's funny. Ya, the sand really creates wealth. It's awesome.

 

[Lear70]

Good luck getting the wife and kids to pack it up and go with you...

You might find yourself unemployed and unmarried all at one time (I know mine nixed that idea when my unplanned hiatus began).

Would enjoy flying there, but can't say 8 days off is appealing (even if it's 10 it's still kinda low), nor is the prospect of being divorced. Can't say as I blame her, either, living on a compound (even one that has a mall and a beach), leave all your friends and family, 120 degree summers...

I understand when you need a job, you need a job, but still.

 

[typhoonpilot]

I'm home the better part of 19 days this month. Last month it was 18 and next month it will be 20. Some of those days I work a partial day or do a daytime sim where I'm home in the evening to play with my son, but the bottom line is I have a lot of quality time with my family.


Typhoonpilot

 

[AA717driver]

If you don't educate yourself about the economy in DXB, don't comment. At least you have 'that parocial thing' down...

Thanks for your input, TP! BTW, Ironbutt57 told me today that GF might be furlouging. He didn't elaborate. EK and EY must be eating their lunch. Take care. TC

 

[typhoonpilot]

If you don't educate yourself about the economy in DXB, don't comment. At least you have 'that parocial thing' down...

Thanks for your input, TP! BTW, Ironbutt57 told me today that GF might be furlouging. He didn't elaborate. EK and EY must be eating their lunch. Take care. TC

I've been predicting the demise of GF for awhile now. Not that I want to see it happen, but with the withdrawal of Abu Dhabi and Oman from the alliance it only leaves Bahrain and they just don't seem to have the market or the management skills to keep the airline from continually losing money. The emergence of Gulf Area LCCs is cutting into their market share quite substantially as well. Jazeera, Air Arabia, Sama, Bahrain Air, etc are all growing at GF's expense.

Etihad's nickname is Emptihad. If you need to non-rev somewhere then get tickets on them over Emirates. EK is full everywhere we go pretty much all year round.


Typhoonpilot

 

[Max Powers]

Yeah but think of all the great things you can do in Abu Dhabi on your days off like shopping ... well I guess that's it.

And get a$$ raped by people who have been forced to live in a bass acwards culture. No thanks.

 

[typhoonpilot]

And get a$$ raped by people who have been forced to live in a bass acwards culture. No thanks.

Such intelligent dialogue on this forum.

uke:

 

[AT7^DRIVER]

Typhoon,

I see that you mentioned the sim - just curious how the training is at EK? Is the B777 training done in DXB, or is it outsourced like the bus? Also, curious about the current housing situation, do you know what's the longest time you can expect to wait for a permanent place? Thanks.

I'm home the better part of 19 days this month. Last month it was 18 and next month it will be 20. Some of those days I work a partial day or do a daytime sim where I'm home in the evening to play with my son, but the bottom line is I have a lot of quality time with my family.


Typhoonpilot

 

[Father Jack]

I was bottom bid for April and got 16 days off.
Dubai is a safe city, not too woriied about being raped here. Hot and sandy, yes, and a long way from home. If you (and the boss) can deal with those realities then apply. Otherwise stay away.

 

[FirstMate]

.....

Good luck getting the wife and kids to pack it up and go with you...

You might find yourself unemployed and unmarried all at one time (I know mine nixed that idea when my unplanned hiatus began).

Would enjoy flying there, but can't say 8 days off is appealing (even if it's 10 it's still kinda low), nor is the prospect of being divorced. Can't say as I blame her, either, living on a compound (even one that has a mall and a beach), leave all your friends and family, 120 degree summers...

I understand when you need a job, you need a job, but still.

Get a clue before posting such nonsense.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

From the website:

Requirements for Position of First Officer - A330/A340 and B777

• A minimum of 4,000 hours total flying time
• A minimum of 2,000 hours multi-crew, multi-engined jet aircraft experience
• ICAO ATPL
• English language fluency (written and verbal comprehension)
• Experience commensurate with age
• Type rated would be advantageous

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but what is the ethnic makeup of a typical crew?

Just wondering in terms of cultural differences etc. with captain and crewmembers.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Such intelligent dialogue on this forum.

Indeed. He is, as they say, eloquent as always.

 

[G100driver]

And get a$$ raped by people who have been forced to live in a bass acwards culture. No thanks.

Never been to UAE, eh? Amazing the folks on this board who have ZERO idea of what they are talking about.

 

[Lear70]

Get a clue before posting such nonsense.

Which clue would that be, Mr. Helper?

The fact that it often gets to be 120 degrees F plus?
The fact that you're leaving your friends and family here in the U.S. while you go halfway around the planet?
The fact that my wife nixed the idea?

Or the fact that you're in an area that sometimes isn't very friendly to us Americans?

The point of my post was that, for many people here, it's not a workable scenario due to family requirements.

It obviously worked out for you and your family; good for you, glad you are flying somewhere you enjoy.

Cheers. :beer:

 

[Lear70]

Never been to UAE, eh? Amazing the folks on this board who have ZERO idea of what they are talking about.

I think he was referring to that kid that got raped by the 3 guys about half a year ago... Don't think anything ever happened to those guys more than a slap on the wrist.

Not even sure it happened in the UAE, but pretty sure that's what he's talking about...

 

[bailey3083]

Emirates is a good company and they do take very good care of you as a crew member. We Americans are now the second biggest Nationality there after the British as we have surpassed the Aussies. The chance to see the world and fly heavy metal is very appealing.
BUT as I have said before living in DXB is not walk in the park. My time there during the interview I can say I would not be able to handle it. Internet is restricted by the government, the whole time I was there the air was full of sand, its a very large construction zone all over the city, people cant drive, you are in the desert. I couldnt find anything to do without spending money no matter how hard I tried.
Hang on I do not have sour grapes because my interview went wrong this is just my personal opinion and actually kinda happy the interview didnt go well so I didnt have to turn down the job.

 

[MED]

If they want to attract pilot candidates they better start pilot basing outside DXB.

 

[Dizel8]

If they want to attract pilot candidates they better start pilot basing outside DXB.

Not sure why they do not, quite certain that a lot of people would jump on that opportunity!

 

[Lear70]

Well, where would they base them?

If you're Europe-based, if memory serves, you have to have EU right of abode. Knocks out most of Europe for a base.

Plus, then you have to worry about all the extra crap that goes with opening another base, getting them to and from their trips, etc.

From what I can tell, they're still getting enough applicants and, with the pilots from 5 airlines on the street, they're probably doing OK for applications right now.

China is another story, as is India; their packages suck.

 

[the turtle]

Typhoon,

I see that you mentioned the sim - just curious how the training is at EK? Is the B777 training done in DXB, or is it outsourced like the bus? Also, curious about the current housing situation, do you know what's the longest time you can expect to wait for a permanent place? Thanks.

I finished training in the 777 last month. It was all done in Dubai. I had many instructors, all of whom were top-notch, better than I had at my old airline (a regional). They want you to pass-it shows. I'm no jet-jocky, just an average line pilot who met them half way and had really no issues. Any American wanting to put in the effort will have no problem with the training enviroment here.

The housing situation here is a bit dynamic at the moment. There is a lack of villas and single pilot apts-EK is trying hard to rectify it, I know because I get an email like every week! However, my temp accomidations is a large 2 bedroom condo in an older but centrally located area, where I can walk to everything.

I think if you have an open mind at least come for an interview and see what Dubai has to offer. Funny how I sense more stability here in the Middle East than I ever felt back home.