UAL/CAL Teamwork

[Sunking]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Statement by
Captain Steve Wallach Captain Jay Pierce
Chairman Chairman
United Master Executive Council Continental Master Executive Council
Of the Air Line Pilots Association
In Reaction to the Announced Merger
Between Delta Airlines and Northwest Airlines​

April 15, 2008​

“For the past several years, mergers and consolidation have been part of the vernacular of the
airline industry. Monday’s announcement of a merger involving Delta and Northwest Airlines
could be just the first of a series of announced marriages between major U.S. carriers.
“Most airline analysts believe an announcement involving United Airlines and Continental will
soon follow Monday’s Delta and Northwest news. The management teams of United and
Continental must understand one hard fact: the pilots of our respective airlines will not allow any
merger unless management meets or exceeds our demands to be treated fairly and equitably. Our
concerns will be addressed before we ever agree to allow our airlines to merge.
“If a merger benefits airline executives, Wall Street financial groups and legal firms at the
expense of pilots and the flying public, we will use all lawful means necessary to ensure the
transaction is unsuccessful. We are not going to stand by and watch as our futures are controlled
by others. Pilots on both sides of a merger must be fully involved and will play a significant role
in the acceptance or rejection of an attempted merger.
“We have real concerns regarding any transaction involving our airlines, and we have repeatedly
asked our respective companies to acknowledge and address those concerns prior to making any
merger or consolidation announcement. We will not stand idly by while the CEOs and their
executives attempt to merge our airlines without regards to the long-term feasibility of the final
entity.
“Let there be no mistake. This is not about pay or benefits. This is about survival. We will fight,
on every possible front, any attempt to merge our airlines at the expense of the pilots.”
Contacts:
Dave Kelly Amy Flanagan
United ALPA Continental ALPA
847/292-1708 281/987-3636​

[email protected] [email protected]​

 

[Tanker1497]

Nice letter...

Too bad the pilots are just along for the financial ride...

 

[flygirlqt]

Good thing I am going back to school this fall.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Where are you going!! No way sista, you stuck with the rest of us, no sit down over there. Down in front. Down in front

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Good thing I am going back to school this fall.

Nail tech or hair dresser? LOL

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Dude,
Get back to your panel study, or spend the 15 bones and get another name. Don't be so gay. It's OK, people get turned down, but you're doing much better running cargo. Can't you move on? Really, are you just a little intern puke that's "gonna get my revenge mom and dad, just before I move out of the basement!" Honestly, are you 8?

 

[Palomino]

Nail tech or hair dresser? LOL

i was thinking horse butcher...

 

[Big Beer Belly]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Statement by
Captain Steve Wallach Captain Jay Pierce
Chairman Chairman
United Master Executive Council Continental Master Executive Council
Of the Air Line Pilots Association
In Reaction to the Announced Merger
Between Delta Airlines and Northwest Airlines​

April 15, 2008​

“For the past several years, mergers and consolidation have been part of the vernacular of the
airline industry. Monday’s announcement of a merger involving Delta and Northwest Airlines
could be just the first of a series of announced marriages between major U.S. carriers.
“Most airline analysts believe an announcement involving United Airlines and Continental will
soon follow Monday’s Delta and Northwest news. The management teams of United and
Continental must understand one hard fact: the pilots of our respective airlines will not allow any
merger unless management meets or exceeds our demands to be treated fairly and equitably. Our
concerns will be addressed before we ever agree to allow our airlines to merge.
“If a merger benefits airline executives, Wall Street financial groups and legal firms at the
expense of pilots and the flying public, we will use all lawful means necessary to ensure the
transaction is unsuccessful. We are not going to stand by and watch as our futures are controlled
by others. Pilots on both sides of a merger must be fully involved and will play a significant role
in the acceptance or rejection of an attempted merger.
“We have real concerns regarding any transaction involving our airlines, and we have repeatedly
asked our respective companies to acknowledge and address those concerns prior to making any
merger or consolidation announcement. We will not stand idly by while the CEOs and their
executives attempt to merge our airlines without regards to the long-term feasibility of the final
entity.
“Let there be no mistake. This is not about pay or benefits. This is about survival. We will fight,
on every possible front, any attempt to merge our airlines at the expense of the pilots.”
Contacts:
Dave Kelly Amy Flanagan
United ALPA Continental ALPA
847/292-1708 281/987-3636​

[email protected] [email protected]​

It sounds like a couple of kids wrote that letter. "By gosh we want lollipops and a corner of the sand box or we'll throw a tantrum!"


BBB

 

[flygirlqt]

Nail tech or hair dresser? LOL

Georgetown Law

I would guess that the cost of one years tuition is about your yearly salary. But seeing as how you have been rejected at every place you have applied, I should characterize that as your permanent future earnings.

It's nice to have choices Pocohole so I can see why you are so bitter. Knowing your track record for interviews, you'd probably also get rejected for those cosmetology courses.

Or does it burn your uterus a little more that I am leaving something you were already rejected for? :laugh:

 

[flygirlqt]

Where are you going!! No way sista, you stuck with the rest of us, no sit down over there. Down in front. Down in front

Time for a change. I have been working on this for some time.

 

[bladeusa]

whats the school girl uniform like ?

 

[flygirlqt]

whats the school girl uniform like ?

It's what is worn under the clothes that matters most

 

[Lear70]

It's what is worn under the clothes that matters most

Or, rather, what ISN'T worn, that matters most. :blush: imp:

Funny you mention that... I was having wine and dinner in San Jose last night with my best friend from college. She lives out here, tax attorney for very LARGE law firm, makes a living fighting the IRS daily for multi-million dollar companies and individuals, and is VERY successful.

She was remarking at how different our lives were from what we planned. I was supposed to be the hotshot airline pilot making $250k plus a year and she was supposed to be the local attorney doing whatever work she could find.

She makes almost $500k a year out here as an attorney and I have YET to break $100k (although I came close one year at $96k prior to 9/11).

She's chastising me to go back to law school, but I can't afford it with kids and such. Kudos to you for doing it while you can.

Don't think I'd ever get completely out of aviation, I love it too much, but some options would be nice. This career is like a black hole - once you get sucked in, getting out is d*mn-near impossible. :lol:

Good luck! :beer:

 

[Rook]

She makes almost $500k a year out here as an attorney and I have YET to break $100k (although I came close one year at $96k prior to 9/11).

Yeah but she can eventually look forward to going to h#ll:laugh:

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I would be worried also. Looks like their management is not doing anything to stop the bleeding of the company just along for the ride and wishing for a merger. Looks like the street is estimating more than a 400 million loss first quarter.

 

[Muppets]

Good thing I am going back to school this fall.

Good for you Flygirl! It takes a lot of guts to switch careers and I applaud you. I dream of getting fuloughed for the summer so I can work on my tan and get the new career wheels turning.

 

[ferlo]

It sounds like a couple of kids wrote that letter. "By gosh we want lollipops and a corner of the sand box or we'll throw a tantrum!"


BBB

So now it's "immature" to demand fair treatment?

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Lawyers are like pilots. There are a few rich ones, but the majority are not. You go into law school with dreams of making dazzling orations to a full jury sitting on the edge of their seats, hanging on every word; having a plush office with a leather chair and a mahogany desk and plaques on the wall; fancy clothes, big car, etc.

In the end you have a folding chair and a metal desk doing $49 divorces.

But I'm sure it will work out ok for you though

 

[Lear70]

Depends where she goes and what she specializes in.

That was part of the discussion my friend and I were having. There is a HUGE shortage of CORPORATE attorneys in California.

They need people who specialize and are GOOD at corporate law, legal documents, contracts, malpractice defense, spilled-McD's-coffee defense, IRS defense, etc.

Those jobs out here for attorneys who passed the CA bar with good scores, have good grades in law school, and who have one or two references from places they interned are STARTING at $250k at 26-28 years old.

Like Tom Cruise's character said in "The Firm": "It's not sexy, but it's got teeth!"

Rook, she's only fighting the IRS and, given the fact that all IRS agents are closely-related to Satan, I
think she'll be OK.

As far as UAL/CAL goes, I'd think CAL would be MUCH smarter seeing how AMR shapes up over the next 2 quarters and making a bid to join with AMR.

MUCH stronger financially without the debt load UAL is still dragging around, although they do have some south-of-the-border overlap.

If that happens, I have serious doubts that UAL will survive alone.

Could be completely off-base... I'm still betting on an AMR Ch. 11 filing before the end of the year.

 

[Uniform Shop]

s far as UAL/CAL goes, I'd think CAL would be MUCH smarter seeing how AMR shapes up over the next 2 quarters and making a bid to join with AMR.

MUCH stronger financially without the debt load UAL is still dragging around, although they do have some south-of-the-border overlap.

Never speak of this again.........:smash:

 

[Lear70]

Yeah, with your colors to the left, I can imagine that idea wouldn't exactly "thrill" you.

Look at it this way, you'd get back to AA a lot more quickly this way.

(ducking for cover and running away).

 

[Cobra17]

Lawyers are like pilots. There are a few rich ones, but the majority are not. You go into law school with dreams of making dazzling orations to a full jury sitting on the edge of their seats, hanging on every word; having a plush office with a leather chair and a mahogany desk and plaques on the wall; fancy clothes, big car, etc.

In the end you have a folding chair and a metal desk doing $49 divorces.

But I'm sure it will work out ok for you though

That's cold...very cold!

The other day it was so cold outside I saw a lawyer who had his hands in his own pockets.

 

[flygirlqt]

Good for you Flygirl! It takes a lot of guts to switch careers and I applaud you. I dream of getting fuloughed for the summer so I can work on my tan and get the new career wheels turning.

Thank you. I hope the guts can calm my fear as it is a real big change! Plus, truth be known I am a little overwhelmed and a bit nervous about the program.

Don't forget the sunscreen!

 

[flygirlqt]

Or, rather, what ISN'T worn, that matters most. :blush: imp:

You just have to love the perverted male mind!

Funny you mention that... I was having wine and dinner in San Jose last night with my best friend from college. She lives out here, tax attorney for very LARGE law firm, makes a living fighting the IRS daily for multi-million dollar companies and individuals, and is VERY successful.

She was remarking at how different our lives were from what we planned. I was supposed to be the hotshot airline pilot making $250k plus a year and she was supposed to be the local attorney doing whatever work she could find.

She makes almost $500k a year out here as an attorney and I have YET to break $100k (although I came close one year at $96k prior to 9/11).

She's chastising me to go back to law school, but I can't afford it with kids and such. Kudos to you for doing it while you can.

Don't think I'd ever get completely out of aviation, I love it too much, but some options would be nice. This career is like a black hole - once you get sucked in, getting out is d*mn-near impossible. :lol:

Good luck! :beer:

I am going to bail before I get sucked to far down this road in aviation. I see nothing but problems within the industry with no end in sight. ALPA has been a bitter disappointment in my family and besides that, watching pilots rip each other continuously is a glimpse into a future I do not want to deal with for the next 30 or 35 years.

I am hoping to get into some type of International law as I am reasonably (sort of) fluent in 2 languages. Carl is right above but I am pretty sure no Georgetown grads are
handling those types of cases


Thank you for your kind words of encouragement. I am going to need it.

arrivederci tutti e buona fortuna a tutto

vaarwel alle en goed geluk aan iedereen

 

[Lear70]

Or, rather, what ISN'T worn, that matters most. :blush: imp:

You just have to love the perverted male mind!

You betcha! :beer:

Thank you for your kind words of encouragement. I am going to need it.

arrivederci tutti e buona fortuna a tutto

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