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General Lee

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Pilots' seniority issue won't ground Delta / Northwest deal
for long
Feb 28th 2008 3:20PM by Joseph Lazzaro

Look for the stalled Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) / Northwest
Airline (NYSE: NWA) deal talks to regain momentum and the
merger to be announced in the week ahead, an analyst
confidently told BloggingStocks Thursday.

Independent stock analyst C. Leonard Bauer, formerly of
Prudential, said the Delta / Northwest talks may be stalled
by the inability of the companies' pilots unions to reach an
agreement on seniority lists, but that traditional,
formidable hurdle will not stop this deal from coming to
fruition due to its "strong marriage fundamentals."

Attractive fundamentals

Bauer said three fundamentals will drive the deal: absence
of overlapping city pairs, economies of scale and passenger
demand.

"First, there's the overall flight route fit. Delta and
Northwest have only 10 or 12 cities pairs that overlap, so
from a destination coverage standpoint, the deal is very
attractive," Bauer said. "Second, the new company will have
massive economies of scale and will be a force in the new
global market. This will be a profitable airline."

"Third, unlike typical deals which usually involve mega lay-
offs, this one won't because of solid passenger demand and
prospects for international travel growth," Bauer said
.
"There will be some cutting of managers and shifting of
employees here and there, but anyone anticipating a 20,000
employee lay-off is mistaken. In fact, after a consolidation
period, the new Delta/Northwest is likely to add employees
as passenger traffic grows."

Both Delta and Northwest traded lower Thursday afternoon
amid a broader market sell-off. Delta (NYSE: DAL) declined
68 cents to $14.32, while Northwest (NYSE: NWA) fell 75
cents to $14.36. Bauer added that he does not have a rating
on, nor own shares in either company.

Arbitrage: no; invest: si

However, despite the likelihood that the talks will produce
a union, Bauer does not recommend that typical investors try
to profit from the deal short-term via a speculative trade.
"Unless you're well-versed in the complexities and multitude
of risks inherent in deal arbitrage, with appropriate
hedges, it's best to avoid dabbling in it," Bauer said.

A better investment strategy, Bauer said, would involve
waiting for the possible merged company to complete its
initial consolidation period of about 2-3 months, then buy a
position in stages (dollar-cost-average) over a six-week or
two-month period. Bauer likes the inherent value in a
potential Delta / Northwest entity, and believes it will be
followed by another attractive airline merger, possibly
involving Continental (NYSE: CAL) with United Air Lines
(NASDAQ: UAUA).

A global market

Bauer puts the probability of Delta / Northwest deal "at 70-
80%."
The airline sector, in his interpretation, is at the
beginning of its second major transformation, which will he
believes will involve 2 or 3 U.S. airline mergers to create
carriers with the resources and planes to serve "the new
mass market of this decade, the global mass market."

A Delta / Northwest merger would create the world's biggest
airline in terms of traffic: Delta served about 74 million
passengers in 2007 and Northwest, about 56 million -- ahead
of American Airlines (NYSE: AMR) 129 million passengers.

Any potential U.S. airline merger would be subject to
federal anti-trust and national security reviews, Bauer
added.




Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Nothing new here.

Really? After all of the articles stating the deal could die, and now an analcyst states that he thinks there is a 70-80% chance there could be a deal, that isn't something new? Okay.....

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Sounds like Lenny placed his bets at $17 and might be formerly employed in his current position if the stock closes at $14 for a while.

A bunch of speculators placed late bets while the hedge funds were selling in blocks.

Could all this have been one massive stock pump?
 
WTF is an "analcyst"? That doesn't sound very comfortable whatever it is.
 
WTF is an "analcyst"? That doesn't sound very comfortable whatever it is.

Never heard of that? A cyst on your Anus? Most people in Wall St. could be described that way....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
the merge could still happen.

the new DAL paints all the planes and puts in new interiors on the NWA aircraft being kept.

the two fleets are run seperately under the DAL holding company. the pilots fight it out for years while management keeps the gains made off paying the two different pilot groups post 911 wages.

it could easily happen just this way.
 
the merge could still happen.

the new DAL paints all the planes and puts in new interiors on the NWA aircraft being kept.

the two fleets are run seperately under the DAL holding company. the pilots fight it out for years while management keeps the gains made off paying the two different pilot groups post 911 wages.

it could easily happen just this way.

It can happen when the MECs meet again.

The pilots have everything done except an agreement on the SLI. A small group of NWA pilots wants their top 400 at the top and 1-1 which is nowhere near fair... and I don't think most NWA pilots would argue that. The other sticking point is that the current list, which keeps both pilots within .5% of their current seniority - according to NWA guys I have hard from - would not take into account the "massive retirements" they have on the horizon.
Those retirements are not concrete. Its a guess those folks will leave at 60 vs 65. To me thats not something to fall on your sword over..but to others, I guess it is.
 
the merge could still happen.

the new DAL paints all the planes and puts in new interiors on the NWA aircraft being kept.

the two fleets are run seperately under the DAL holding company. the pilots fight it out for years while management keeps the gains made off paying the two different pilot groups post 911 wages.

it could easily happen just this way.
Not allowed under the DAL PWA. I'm not as familiar with the NWA agreement, but I doubt it would be allowed under that contract either.
 
AH HAH! So it will happen NEXT week. :) Uh....again.

I believe we' are about to hit 8 "Next" weeks so far for the merger going to happen.
 
I think that the DAL/NWA MECs, need to really put their thinking hats on. I believe that failure to reach an agreement on their own could potentially land both groups in an Airways/AWest type of "after the fact" fight.

Sadly, I don't believe that the pilots alone can stop this deal from going through. If Wall Street and the bigwigs want this to go through, you can almost be certain that it will. History should have thought us this much.

Wether it happens or it doesn't, it would be in both pilot groups' interest to hammer out a fair agreement. Even if it has to be done in secrecy without management knowing. Failure to do so could leave both groups at the mercy of some arbitrator. Thus, leaving both groups with worse than expected outcomes and possibly without some of the potential monetary gains that could be obtained. Food for thought........
 
Really? After all of the articles stating the deal could die, and now an analcyst states that he thinks there is a 70-80% chance there could be a deal, that isn't something new? Okay.....

Bye Bye--General Lee
Really. What is new?...the deal is on again?...big announcement next week?...come on...okay....
 
You guys should love this. Steenland is trying to get his Texas money boys together for a buyout..some of the stuff that runs around in a crew room....... Most likely totally BS but this is a place for rumours. LOL...
 
You guys should love this. Steenland is trying to get his Texas money boys together for a buyout..some of the stuff that runs around in a crew room....... Most likely totally BS but this is a place for rumours. LOL...

The version I heard was a total NWA liquidation followed by Delta "purchasing" everything.

Everyone would be given a face to face interview and rehired (bad apples excluded) by Delta on the spot.

Can you say kiss negotiations goodbye?

Gonna get intersting.
 
It reminds me of that scene in Airplane II when someone refers to the "boys on the board" and you see a bunch of kids in a boardroom. Me thinks this thing ain't over if the pilots don't come to an agreement. The boys on the board won't want to miss the opportunity.
 
"First, there's the overall flight route fit. Delta and
Northwest have only 10 or 12 cities pairs that overlap, so
from a destination coverage standpoint, the deal is very
attractive," Bauer said. "Second, the new company will have
massive economies of scale and will be a force in the new
global market. This will be a profitable airline."

"Third, unlike typical deals which usually involve mega lay-
offs, this one won't because of solid passenger demand and
prospects for international travel growth," Bauer said
.
"There will be some cutting of managers and shifting of
employees here and there, but anyone anticipating a 20,000
employee lay-off is mistaken. In fact, after a consolidation
period, the new Delta/Northwest is likely to add employees
as passenger traffic grows."

Am I the only one that doesn't see the benefit of economies of scale from a merger?

The analyst says there will be economies of scale but there won't be huge layoffs. If there won't be huge layoffs, where are the economies of scale?

Will a larger company be able to negotiate better rates on fuel?

No.

Will labor costs be lower at a larger company?

No. In fact they'll be higher if there are no layoffs.

The only savings I see are operational consolidation at the few cities that each serve, elimination of one headquarters (which will cost the new company $245 million in penalties), and consolidated parts inventory of common fleets (B757, whoop tee do!).

A combined company would benefit from a larger network so the consumer could do "one stop shopping", but they already code share with one another so there isn't a large gain there.

In my opinion a merged company would be slightly better off than separate companies (unless there are huge layoffs). Perhaps they wouldn't lose as much during downturns and would make a little more during up-ticks. Any real benefit of a merger is in "synergies" as in layoffs.
 
The only savings I see are operational consolidation at the few cities that each serve, elimination of one headquarters (which will cost the new company $245 million in penalties), and consolidated parts inventory of common fleets (B757, whoop tee do!).

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Closing MEM will save the combined company 500 mil PER YEAR. Closing CVG will save the combined company 1 BIL PER YEAR.

total savings from this alone for the combined company 1.5 Billion PER YEAR.
 
Closing MEM will save the combined company 500 mil PER YEAR. Closing CVG will save the combined company 1 BIL PER YEAR.

total savings from this alone for the combined company 1.5 Billion PER YEAR.

Right, that would require huge layoffs. You can't have it both ways.
 
Right, that would require huge layoffs. You can't have it both ways.

I don't think so. MEM is primarily AIRLINK people for NWA. CVG is primarily contract employees (from what I understand).

Yes, these people would most likely be looking for jobs but they are not NW/Delta employees.
 
Delta-Northwest Merger Destined for a Rocky Landing According to NYU Stern Professor

Friday February 29, 9:16 am ET

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Corporate merger expert NYU Stern Professor Robert Lamb argues that the Delta-Northwest merger looks great on paper, but is probably doomed to fail.
“Combining Delta’s southern and European routes and Northwest’s northern and Asian routes might make for a pretty map, but joining these two aging airline giants is more likely to be an indirect flight to failure,” remarks Professor Lamb.
As cited in his book, Capitalize on Merger Chaos: Six Ways to Profit from Your Competitors' Consolidation on Your Own, co-authored with Thomas M. Grubb, 60 to 80 percent of mergers failed over the last 50 years.
He argues:
  • <LI class=bwlistitemmarginbottom>Focusing inward on integration of Delta & Northwest will negatively affect their profit. <LI class=bwlistitemmarginbottom>The skills of employees from each company are not necessarily transferable. <LI class=bwlistitemmarginbottom>The lack of a strategically powerful merger plan will lead to chaos and uncertainty, and both companies’ most valuable resources—their best people—will probably flee. <LI class=bwlistitemmarginbottom>The size of these two airlines combined creates the largest US airline, which poses a threat, according to studies indicating that larger companies are historically the least successful in mergers. <LI class=bwlistitemmarginbottom>Most companies don’t know the statistics on merger failure and let egos alter their judgment when determining how much the enterprise can afford to pay and how much they will recoup. <LI class=bwlistitemmarginbottom>Union issues may delay the merger, causing airline executives to focus too much on internal operations, and not enough on competitors.
  • A significantly more profitable merger would result from a joint venture between either Delta or Northwest and a strong foreign airline.
 
I don't think so. MEM is primarily AIRLINK people for NWA. CVG is primarily contract employees (from what I understand).

Yes, these people would most likely be looking for jobs but they are not NW/Delta employees.

You are wrong. Delta has a very larger presence in CVG. Delta aircraft are served by Delta gate agents and Delta rampers. Comair has a very large presence as well, but doesn't serve any Delta mainline flights. I don't know what goes on in MEM, but I suspect mainline aircraft are served by mainline employees.

Synergies equal layoffs, there is no getting around it. When companies merge they say there will be no layoffs to placate politicians, but when the rubber hits the road and "unforeseen circumstances" arise people lose their jobs.
 
Don't forget that NWA has already laid off if not all, but most of its gate agents. Only NWA gate agents left are at its main hub (MSP, MEM & DTW) and a handful of key cities, i.e. LAX, LGA, SEA...
 
Face it, mergers these days are about making huge bucks for the lawyers and management types and the funds that back them.

There is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for the employees. Sure, a few will profit but not greatly. "Synergies" is code for layoffs and headcount reduction.

Beware and learn from history. TC
 

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