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February 21 2008: 909 AM EST

Why Delta-Northwest won't work

Industry consolidation is supposed to cure the airlines' most intractable problems, right? It won't.

By Barney Gimbel, writer
NEW YORK (Fortune) -- There was little doubt last summer when former Northwest Airlines executive Richard Anderson took the helm at Delta Air Lines that the carrier would gobble up a competitor. It was just a matter of which one and when.

So Wednesday's board meeting to finalize a merger between Delta (DAL, Fortune 500) and its smaller rival, Northwest Airlines (NWA, Fortune 500), surprised no one. Shareholders clamored for it. Analysts gave their blessing. And the media breathlessly reported its inevitability. Consolidation, the thinking goes, will solve all of the industry's woes.

Not so fast. An analysis of the likely deal terms suggests this merger won't overcome the many problems facing airlines. In the end, we might just have a bigger company plagued by the same problems, including sky-high oil prices and powerful labor unions. Ditto for United (UAUA, Fortune 500) and Continental (CAL, Fortune 500) if they too, as has been widely reported, tie the knot. Let me explain.

What a difference a year makes
It was just over a year ago that Delta's former CEO, Gerald Grinstein, warned a packed room of U.S. senators about the perils of airlines mergers. Grinstein was there to fight off a hostile bid from US Airways (LCC, Fortune 500) and had a phalanx of uniformed Delta pilots standing behind him. He called the transaction "anti-competitive" and said it would "threaten the future stability of our nation's transportation industry."

For a lot of reasons, Grinstein didn't want to sell his airline to US Airways. It was his baby. He had nursed it back from the brink of insolvency and he wasn't about to let what he considered to be an unworthy competitor snap it up and reap any rewards. He may have believed what he told Congress: Once Delta emerged from bankruptcy, it would be worth far more than US Airways' $9.5 billion offer.

Things didn't work out as Grinstein had hoped.

Today Delta is worth only $6.7 billion and Grinstein - and his team - are gone. Anderson inherited an angry board of directors and impatient shareholders. The only way to fix the problem was to find a partner - and fast.

What changed was the price of oil. At $100 a barrel, oil is almost double what it was when Grinstein testified in January 2007. It's become all but impossible for airlines to turn a profit. Add to that the inability to hike fares substantially, mounting foreign competition, and signs of a economic downturn, and it's no wonder airlines are scrambling for alternatives.

Combining with a rival would give airlines some much-needed capital. "This is about survival." says former Continental chief executive Gordon Bethune, who recently advised a New York hedge fund that wants Delta to merge with either Northwest Airlines or United Airlines. "These companies just need more revenue than they can generate with that kind of expense level."

Two theories are driving airline merger talks. Cost-cutting by flying the same amount of passengers on fewer airplanes is one. Delta, for instance, has nine daily flights between Nashville and its Atlanta hub. Northwest flies three times a day from Nashville to its Memphis hub. But the passengers often aren't going to either city; they're connecting to Los Angeles or Dallas or Boise. By merging, the combined carrier could, say, cut three flights and still meet demand.

The potential savings is what drove US Airways to bid for Delta last year. US Airways suggested it could save nearly $1 billion by combining the two carriers and lopping off 10 percent of the flight schedule.

But belt-tightening isn't driving the Delta-Northwest talks, according to published reports. The "new" Delta doesn't plan to cut many jobs or reduce much capacity. They don't even plan to drop any hubs. If that remains the plan, then the combined carrier won't be able to generate more revenue through higher fares.

Instead, they plan to boost revenue by leveraging their global network to seize market share. It makes sense in theory: Northwest has an extensive Asian presence while Delta has a large European and Latin American network. The problem is, size alone won't stimulate demand. The new Delta would have to use its larger footprint to steal customers from competitors - a tough proposition if other airlines merge too.

The only way Delta-Northwest plans to save money is through cutbacks in Northwest's Minneapolis base, and by combining their respective airport operations, reservation lines and technology departments. Even so, the costs savings would be negligible - and possibly offset by any deals to secure the approval of the airlines' labor unions. If Delta agrees, say, not to lay off pilots then it can't reduce the number of planes or routes it flies.
None of this bodes well for the airline industry. After a Northwest-Delta deal, expect to see the remaining large carriers - American, Continental, United and US Airways - attempt similar mergers with similar terms. And then what do you have? Bigger companies flying the same routes with the same airplanes - only now with higher labor costs. For some reason, in the airline business, people always forget that bigger doesn't mean better.
 
If this thing does come to fruition, I have a feeling there will be a withdrawl of some aircraft from the system---a bunch of RJs hopefully. I also see a small downsizing in CVG and MEM, but not enough to pi$$ off local politicians. I think those same politicians would be happy to see RJs go as well, as long as all flights did not go away to specific cities.

That is if this thing actually does happen at all...

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
If this thing does come to fruition, I have a feeling there will be a withdrawl of some aircraft from the system---a bunch of RJs hopefully. I also see a small downsizing in CVG and MEM, but not enough to pi$$ off local politicians. I think those same politicians would be happy to see RJs go as well, as long as all flights did not go away to specific cities.

That is if this thing actually does happen at all...

Bye Bye--General Lee

This coming from the guy who said that pay cuts would help ward off bankrupcy....and that Song was good idea.

Trouble in paradise fellas?
 
This can't be right. Gen Lee said everything would be better. So the only analysts that think this merger is going to be good are going to benefit in some way from the merger? Say it ain't so.
 
This can't be right. Gen Lee said everything would be better. So the only analysts that think this merger is going to be good are going to benefit in some way from the merger? Say it ain't so.

Let's face it. The GL has as much credibility on this forum as I do or for that matter, anyone. The only thing that make people think he has any knowledge on the industry is the fact he posts a lot. That doesn't make you an airline wizard...it makes you a loser who lives in your mom's basement.
 
If this thing does come to fruition, I have a feeling there will be a withdrawl of some aircraft from the system---a bunch of RJs hopefully.

Bye Bye--General Lee
General - FACT - NWA is getting RJ's to replace the DC-9's. Read NWA's last two quarterly conference calls.

Airplanes going away are the DC-9's, airplanes coming are RJ's. What is it going to take to convince Delta pilots that scope has to be fixed? What is it going to take to make folks want this on one list?
 
That doesn't make you an airline wizard...it makes you a loser who lives in your mom's basement.
In separate incidents, two of my younger high school aged cousins were caught this week in their mother's basements getting it on with obviously too young, but scorching hot, girls. One is competing in Ms. Teen Georgia. Sending the aberrant kids to live with Uncle Fins was a consideration - just mentioned that I'd been thinking about building a swimming pool and cabana bar out by the garage. Quickly the family decided, uhh oh, maybe sending them to live with Fins ain't such a good idea. :)

(the ugly truth is I can't afford the phone bill and cars that mysteriously leave the garage while I'm on trips)

You post made me wonder, I bet the basement sees more action than the master bedroom in most of these $500,000+ homes.:rolleyes: Glad I live in a paid off shack.
 
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I agree with Fins. Scope is the most important concern for junior guys. At least it should be. There will be airplanes parked as a result of this merger. If their replacements wind up at the regionals, you can count on mainline furloughs.
 
General - FACT - NWA is getting RJ's to replace the DC-9's. Read NWA's last two quarterly conference calls.

Airplanes going away are the DC-9's, airplanes coming are RJ's. What is it going to take to convince Delta pilots that scope has to be fixed? What is it going to take to make folks want this on one list?

Your FACTS are not Factual. I agree, Steenland did indicate that Scope isn't a problem in the conference call. I'm assuming he believed we'd be under DAL's scope as he CAN NOT replace the DC-9's with 76 seaters per NWA scope. If there is a merge, the only way this will happen if is if NWA's scope is negotiated away--kind of like the DAL scope clause.


Schwanker
 
Schwanker -

Compass and Mesaba; I don't mean to be a smart alec, but the DC-9's have already been replaced on many routes. Not only CAN they, it HAS happened.

There will be 11 DCI/Airlink partners - too many, too much flying out the door.
 
Schwanker -

Compass and Mesaba; I don't mean to be a smart alec, but the DC-9's have already been replaced on many routes. Not only CAN they, it HAS happened.

There will be 11 DCI/Airlink partners - too many, too much flying out the door.

When Compass/Mesaba reach 36 76 seat aircraft, the narrow body floor is set. I believe that will occur in March. Once set, NWA is limited to 90 76 seat aircraft. Only additional aircraft can be added as mainline aircraft is added. This also means 76 seat jets will need to be taken away if NB jet numbers are reduced. You're right, it is happening to some degree now, but it's soon to become limited via the scope language.
Schwanker
 
Sounds like GL was referring to CRJ/ERJs vs. E175s. Not sure but that is what it sounded like. Clearly mainline pilots need to be driving the E175s too - not much outsourcing should be allowed. Doubt that will ever happen though.
 
Sounds like GL was referring to CRJ/ERJs vs. E175s. Not sure but that is what it sounded like. Clearly mainline pilots need to be driving the E175s too - not much outsourcing should be allowed. Doubt that will ever happen though.


Pretty funny how before...the routes the RJ's were flying were "Below":rolleyes: the Delta pilots to fly and now all of a sudden...they want it back and are willing to fly the E-175's. I hate to sound like a smart Azz, but the Delta pilots need to either make up their minds or get their heads out of their Azz's and make something happen. Either way it is going to be a Major CLUSTER!! Glad I am not on the bottom of those two lists...it is "unfortunately" going to be
U G L Y!!! Mark My Words.
 
That is if this thing actually does happen at all...

Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

I think this thing is a go no matter what the pilot groups decide.

Management is just giving us a chance to negotiate our terms and save them (and us) a big headache down the road.

Don't fool yourself. If not Delta/NWA it will be someone else and soon. I think Anderson (and his underling Steelin) realizes this. The cash to be made by this deal (pilots included) is WAY too big for it not to happen under the Bush Admin, even if (and very unfortunate if it does) seniority issues end up in arbitration.

My 2 "sense"
 
The key to the merger would be to at the very least keep the NWA scope clause. It at least is almost tapped out. In fact close scope, all further planes should be flown by NWA/DAL pilots, Period. Now is the time to recapture that and to stop giving away mainline jobs.
 
most airline mergers have never work. the shareholders are trying to cash in their chips before there is a dealer change at the crap tables.
 
This can't be right. Gen Lee said everything would be better. So the only analysts that think this merger is going to be good are going to benefit in some way from the merger? Say it ain't so.



Long-Haul Investing
Tom Van Riper, 02.21.08, 6:00 AM ET
Forbes.com


Airline mergers are usually about cutting: Hub closings, mass layoffs. The proposed $20 billion deal to combine Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines promises to take off in another direction.
With minimal overlap between the two major carriers, the hope here is a strengthened company with new traffic streams and few layoffs. No wonder it's popular. "This merger may be intended to grow the sum of the parts, not reduce it," says industry consultant Michael Boyd. "It could be very innovative."
Translation for investors: Little value in the short term. Last year, Delta Air Lines (nyse: DAL - news - people ) and Northwest Airlines (nyse: NWA - news - people ) combined lost over $6 billion on $29.8 billion in revenue. The only significant cost savings expected from a deal would be the elimination of one of the two headquarters--most likely Northwest's, in Eagan, Minn.--so don't expect those numbers to grow anytime soon.
No, the payoff (potentially) comes when the larger airline establishes itself in new routes, mainly in potential high-growth markets like the Midwest and Deep South, along with Asia. Northwest recently announced domestic route expansions, including more service out of the growing Memphis hub. Delta's been pushing into more international routes; it's added more than 60 since 2006. A new, bigger carrier will add a lot more capacity than it would take out.
Delta already flies direct to nine overseas destinations that no one else does, including Dubai and Tel Aviv from Atlanta. Growing its size can give it the pricing muscle to keep others out of its routes. "It makes sense for the long term, as the company gains more pricing power," says Ray Neidl, an airline analyst with Calyon Securities.
But again, shareholders can't expect to realize much of an initial premium--not unless Wall Street is so enamored of the deal it immediately puts a higher multiple on the stock, the odds of which Neidl optimistically calls "uncertain." Delta shares rose 4 cents Wednesday to close at $16.81, while Northwest gained 25 cents to close at $17.22.
Of course, proposing few initial layoffs has a strategic purpose--helping the deal gain regulatory approval and backing from labor unions: A proposal that calls for no hub closings and little job loss takes away a common objection. In the end, it's tough to imagine that a pair of formerly bankrupt airlines struggling to claw their way back in a troubled industry won't be permitted to join forces.
As for the other potential hurdle--the 12,000 pilots at the two carriers haggling over the seniority rules that would determine future pay raises and desirable schedules--is just a hiccup. The pilots have otherwise agreed to a labor deal, signaling they'll go along with the merger. "When pilots aren't shooting each other, you know there's something on the table that looks good," Boyd says.
Does it look as good for investors? Maybe, if they're ready to ride out the systems integration and culture clashes that have historically complicated airline mergers. With both airlines losing money on their own--and oil at $100 a barrel--it beats the alternatives.



Some people really think this will be a good deal, or innovative. We'll see, as long as seniority issues are ironed out fairly. The USAir merger, operationally anyway, was a great merger. Seniority merge-wise, it was not smooth at all. It fit very well together on a map, but not well on a personality or ego level. I think this could be a good fit between DL and NWA, as long as it is done fairly with regards to seniority. The map part will be a great fit.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
So here's a question, how would a carrier like say CAL where the pilots have a retirement (still) merge with a pilot group that doesn't have one (UAUA)? Kind of makes that deal a sticky one, huh? I really think the Delta/NWA thing is going to happen-- too many signs point in that direction, a former CEO at NWA at Delta, both filed for bankruptcy on the same day, etc...Both pilot groups with no retirements...
 
"Deep South"? You mean Gulfport or RSW? ;)

Yep, I can see it now... Delta waltzes into BA and runs AA out of town. The Argentines are just licking their chops 'till Delta arrives.

BTW, how's S.A. working out for UA? TC
 
So here's a question, how would a carrier like say CAL where the pilots have a retirement (still) merge with a pilot group that doesn't have one (UAUA)? Kind of makes that deal a sticky one, huh? I really think the Delta/NWA thing is going to happen-- too many signs point in that direction, a former CEO at NWA at Delta, both filed for bankruptcy on the same day, etc...Both pilot groups with no retirements...


america west bought a huge problem and now looks like a snake that is having trouble digesting its meal. could it be that they bit off more than they can chew.
 
america west bought a huge problem and now looks like a snake that is having trouble digesting its meal. could it be that they bit off more than they can chew.


Well one of two things could have happened. 1) They should have just waited the 10-20 days for US to file Chapter 7 and pick from the dead bones. (would have been the best choice.)
2) The pilots put their heads together and stop this childish fighting and get crackin on a GOOD CONTRACT. Unfortunately, I don't see the Easties being this smart and they are going to waste a TON of money and time with the same end result....No Change in Seniority!
Plain Stupidity!!!!:rolleyes:
 
"Deep South"? You mean Gulfport or RSW? ;)

Yep, I can see it now... Delta waltzes into BA and runs AA out of town. The Argentines are just licking their chops 'till Delta arrives.

BTW, how's S.A. working out for UA? TC

We already go to BA, flying a daily 764 down there (used to be a 767-300ER). Doing well I hear. Did you see we are adding more flights to SA? We recently added Quito and Guayaquil, and we added extra sections to GRU and GIG. Brutal allnighters each way, but great layovers down there.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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We already go to BA, flying a daily 764 down there (used to be a 767-300ER). Doing well I hear. Did you see we are adding more flights to SA? We recently added Quito and Guayaquil, and we added extra sections to GRU and GIG. Brutal allnighters each way, but great layovers down there.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yep. I'm aware. TC
 
Let's face it. The GL has as much credibility on this forum as I do or for that matter, anyone. The only thing that make people think he has any knowledge on the industry is the fact he posts a lot. That doesn't make you an airline wizard...it makes you a loser who lives in your mom's basement.

Actually, I'd say he's got a lot more credibility than you do. He works for an airline, not honking on the government titty like you are.
 
Well one of two things could have happened. 1) They should have just waited the 10-20 days for US to file Chapter 7 and pick from the dead bones. (would have been the best choice.)
2) The pilots put their heads together and stop this childish fighting and get crackin on a GOOD CONTRACT. Unfortunately, I don't see the Easties being this smart and they are going to waste a TON of money and time with the same end result....No Change in Seniority!
Plain Stupidity!!!!:rolleyes:


These days you are better off waiting for door no.1, I do not believe you will ever see door no.2 with this group. They were predictable; it just means america west did not do their homework or half-a$$ it. you definitely get what you pay for.
 

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