ALL International Flying will end on March 5

[limpyoke]

ICAO now requires an "English Proficiency" endorsement. All flight crews must have the endorsement by March 5,2008 to fly international flights. My guess is that most flights will be canceled on March 6,2008.

http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...afety/info/all_infos/media/2008/info08008.pdf

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I doubt it.... cash is king... the world economy won't stop. Are jets crashing cause of a lnaguage issue?

 

[limpyoke]

When is the last time you got a new certificate from the FAA in under 120 days? Any pilot flying international flights without the proper endorsements would be in violation of ICAO rules and subject to violations.

 

[crxpilot]

Does anyone else get tired of OTHER countries delegating how we do things in the good ole US of A?

 

[ackattacker]

I always suspected the Europeans were idiots.

Next they're going to require an endorsement that you know how to tie your shoelaces.

 

[Britpilot]

Does anyone else get tired of OTHER countries delegating how we do things in the good ole US of A?

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't this endorsement for flying to OTHER countries? If you fly in the good ole US of A, then you don't need it.

 

[Varig]

Where do the Europeans came into this??

 

[filejw]

Just a heads up, ICAO is part of the UN and I think we are a member.This rule was voted on by all involved and its to prevent some of the stuff you see at JFK and others places with international airlines that have very poor english skills.There is some pretty good audio of what I'm talking about if you search.

 

[OPECJet]

I wonder how many Americans will fail the test.....

 

[ackattacker]

No test... you already had to demonstrate English proficiency when you took your PPL ride. You just need to fill in an application for the certificate with the additional language on it. That is what makes it so ridiculous.

P.S. I was wrong to implicate the Europeans in particular. But it's fun to point fingers at those silly sods.

 

[FBN0223]

P.S. I was wrong to implicate the Europeans in particular. But it's fun to point fingers at those silly sods.

Most Europeans are bilingual and many speak English better than Americans.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

P.S. I was wrong to implicate the Europeans in particular. But it's fun to point fingers at those silly sods.

You'd have fun in Europe... because most locals in Germany, Holland, Belgium and many ol' East Bloc countries speak English....

Europe does plenty better than the US. And some not so good.... Americans are not better or worse...just different....

 

[ackattacker]

Yeah, I know, it was done in jest. Sorry the sarcasm didn't come across. I've been all over Europe and have lots of European friends and all that. I do feel that the JAR bureaucracy can be a bit over the top, particularly with their treatment of FAA Cert pilots. And while ICAO is not European, most other countries model their CAA after European systems rather than FAA, so sometimes it can feel like USA vs. everybody else, and ICAO dictating silly things like SIC types and English Proficiency endorsements for native English speakers.

 

[Draginass]

If you think the level of officialdom in US and FAA is bad, try the Europeans. Remember, it's a jobs program over there and the more complicated and inane, the better.

 

[PUNISHER]

Our company required us to request the new cert last week using the faa web site, here is the link: http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/certificate_replacement/
Once you create an FAA online account simply request a replacement cert. There is a box that has replacement reasons, select "English proficient". It costs two dollars and the site said it would take two weeks to get the replacement. You can also receive a temporary certificate, emailed or faxed to you. The endorsement is not required to fly in the USA.

 

[Dizel8]

most other countries model their CAA after European systems rather than FAA, so sometimes it can feel like USA vs. everybody else.

Actually, the CAA in most of eu land mirror the US in many aspects, but THEN they throw in all their silly stuff.

As for the writtens, geez almighty, I know the UK used to ask about VLF/Omega, even after the VLF system was retired, but hey, you just never know.

 

[huncowboy]

I always suspected the Europeans were idiots.

Next they're going to require an endorsement that you know how to tie your shoelaces.

which you will fail since you've only ever had boots on

 

[VAPOR]

I always suspected the Europeans were idiots.

Next they're going to require an endorsement that you know how to tie your shoelaces.

The only idiots are here at the FAA for agreeing to comply with this crap. My home country (US f-in A) speaks English, my certificate requires that I know English, and anyone who can read my certificate should know this or else they shouldn't be allowed to see my certificate in the first place. The bottom line: The FAA stands to make over $100k off of us. Next year's endorsement will be "Flight proficient" and will cost $4.

I suggest we all take a few minutes to write about this total inefficiency to:

Mr. Robert A. Sturgell
Acting Administrator
Federal Aviation Administration
800 Independence Avenue, SW
Washington, DC 20591

 

[ackattacker]

which you will fail since you've only ever had boots on

Well golly my huntin boots got them laces on em. I reckon they better not ask me bought no tie tying, though. Always wears me a clip-on.

 

[huncowboy]

Yeah, I know, it was done in jest. Sorry the sarcasm didn't come across. I've been all over Europe and have lots of European friends and all that. I do feel that the JAR bureaucracy can be a bit over the top, particularly with their treatment of FAA Cert pilots. And while ICAO is not European, most other countries model their CAA after European systems rather than FAA, so sometimes it can feel like USA vs. everybody else, and ICAO dictating silly things like SIC types and English Proficiency endorsements for native English speakers.

LOL

btw does this not mean that we are already in compliance? I mean I dunno cause me no spekaoe lill bi ohly:

All affected airman certificate holders are considered to have met the ICAO English language proficiency requirements based on the eligibility requirements of parts 61, 63 and 65. The FAA’s issuance of an "English Proficient" endorsement on a U.S. airman certificate attests that the airman meets the Level 4 operational standards found in ICAO Annex 1 (a copy of the ICAO Level 4 criteria is attached).


I did not read the whole thing but all we need is an endorsement. Right? I am just way to lazy to read this on a Su. Anytime you are exmanining someone for a US certificate you have to check he/she is speaking English. When in doubt there is an AC for it which btw is a joke but it makes sense. I actually had to have someone do it on a commercial.