Delta to keep CVG as a hub....

[time builder]

Easy there John, speaking of misreading...... My response was to Speedtape, not you. Pardon me for trying to supplement your response.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Easy there John, speaking of misreading...... My response was to Speedtape, not you. Pardon me for trying to supplement your response.

Ok, well if that the case, I apologize, but excuse me for mistaking. You did after all, not say who you were responding to, nor quote the post. Also, your post came right after mine. Why wouldn't I think you were responding to me?

 

[time builder]

Additonally, if the argument is that SLC traffic would be handled by MSP, think back a couple years when Delta had to decide between SLC and DFW. Location was more important than locally originating traffic.

Also, by Speedtape's reasoning, United would have closed Denver a long time ago where they have two west coast hubs (SFO and LAX) and one in the northern midwest (ORD).

There were a couple scenarios which I felt did threaten Delta's SLC hub (United and USAir in particualr), but I don't think an NWA merger would have nearly the same implications.

Anyway, don't mean to hijack a CVG thread by talking about SLC.

 

[time builder]

Again, apologies John, I'll be more careful to point out the subject of my response in the future.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Again, apologies John, I'll be more careful to point out the subject of my response in the future.

Just quote. Works well.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Why is CVG so expensive to fly out of? I've heard one story that it's taxes for both Kentucky and Cincinnati

Lack of competition at CVG is another reason often cited.

 

[B727FA]

The issue with CVG that always is ignored is that on the city pairs where they do "compete" the fares are nearly identical...CVG-DFW $449 (made up number) on DL, AA (or even UA with cnx in ORD). To EWR? $339? You bet on CO, too. They'll charge what they can and you can bet the competition will join right in.

 

[skyslug]

CVG is a fortress hub. Someone already (B727FA)stated that the fares are comparable out of CVG to other airline hubs (DFW, ORD, PHL, EWR, etc) but to cities where there is no direct competition there is no need to have competitive pricing...you've got a captive audience.

Fares get raised to those cities until the consumer decides it's easier to drive 2 hours to another city and originate there instead of CVG.

The proximity of DAY, SDF, IND and the LCC's that fly into those cities have fares reflect the competition. It's less expensive to originate out of those cities and fly to XYZ than it is out of CVG to fly to XYZ.

Whatever happened to Simplifares? The long term parking lot always seemed full during this time now it's a huge lot with very few cars.

 

[172driver]

I thought it was supposed to be expensive to, but when I went to purchase a ticket I got a round trip CVG direct to MCO for 250 bucks (first thought that went through my mind was no wonder we aren't making money)...that included all taxes. I was fairly surprised I was budgeting for double that, not that I'm complaining

I fly in and out of CVG every week from many different cities (including MCO) and have yet to see a one-way ticket for less than $700.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Again, apologies John.....

Don't try to befriend this guy, and for god's sake, DON"T APOLOGIZE to him. He is only here to bust people's balls! Nothing else. He will talk about nailing your mother, and then complain about personal attacks. You'll see what I mean when you see the response to this.

Dick

 

[John Pennekamp]

Don't try to befriend this guy, and for god's sake, DON"T APOLOGIZE to him. He is only here to bust people's balls! Nothing else. He will talk about nailing your mother, and then complain about personal attacks. You'll see what I mean when you see the response to this.

Dick

As you can see, Captain Richard Head, Captain of the Mighty CRJ 200 got b1tch slapped and still hasn't recovered.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Need I say any more?

 

[Speedtape]

SLC has low yields.

Ski season lasts an average of 4 months at best and the loads only increase on 3 day weekends.

LAX is the future for Delta as it can serve as an international gateway along with Seattle if there is a Northwest merger. NWA had an international gateway at LAX at one time.

If the SLC hub cannot support International flights to Europe, first test being in March, Ba-Bye! Maybe OO can make it on their on in SLC?

CVG has already been scaled back. Comair made money there before they were purchased. However, if Mainline does not maintain a hub there, due to scope, Comair will not have a hub as a Delta Connection.

No matter what is being said today, if there is a merger, many things will change! The only hub that will be safe is Atlanta.

 

[B727FA]

The only hub that will be safe is Atlanta.

And DTW.

I think MSP and DTW are safe. MEM is gone. SFO and BOS will stay stong focus "gateways."

On the DL side:
ATL safe. CVG maintains "hub" status, though moves to larger "regional" a/c...regardless of who flies it. SLC becomes more like CVG with similar a/c. LAX is rebuilt as a gateway for Asia.

Or not.

 

[time builder]

SLC has low yields.

Ski season lasts an average of 4 months at best and the loads only increase on 3 day weekends.

LAX is the future for Delta as it can serve as an international gateway along with Seattle if there is a Northwest merger. NWA had an international gateway at LAX at one time.

If the SLC hub cannot support International flights to Europe, first test being in March, Ba-Bye! Maybe OO can make it on their on in SLC?

CVG has already been scaled back. Comair made money there before they were purchased. However, if Mainline does not maintain a hub there, due to scope, Comair will not have a hub as a Delta Connection.

No matter what is being said today, if there is a merger, many things will change! The only hub that will be safe is Atlanta.

So, again, why did they close DFW over SLC? Your reasoning doesn't hold water.

Don't think of the SLC as a small city in the mountain west, think of it as a midpoint for connecting in the west. You can get anywhere on the west coast in under 2 hours from SLC. Again, location is more important than originating traffic. It's a hub and spoke network, not point to point.

Oh, and Richard, believe me, I've seen many of John's posts and realize how inflammatory he can be. He's in that category with General Lee. If you don't take him personal, you can sift the facts from the opinions and possibly learn something.