Class Action Lawsuits – Is It Time??!!

[Andy]

Not standing unified, right now, will have disasterous effects on our bargaining power in the upcoming years and your management knows it.

That's the crux of the problem. The majority of the membership can no longer trust the union. There can be no unity with the current union.
This was a HUGE setback for unity.

 

[Vne]

Thank you very little Southwest. You have now replaced AA (with our B-scale) as the scurge of the industry.

No one can replace AA as the scurge of the industry ....No one.....ever.....

 

[charterpuke]

At every airline with a no-fly list, all F/Os should put any captain over 60 on their no-fly list!!

 

[SkiFishFly]

Don't waste your time and money on lawsuits. Only the lawyers will win (and pocket lots of your money).

Channel your energy into the union and at the bargaining table. FO pay rates need to come up before/at a greater percentage than CA rates to make up for the delay/loss of potential future earnings.

As someone posted - FOs did not lose actual income, we lost potential income. It was never guaranteed in any way, shape, or form. Lots of things can have a negative impact on projected or potential income - this just happens to be one of them.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Yup, right with ya, SUE ALPA. FOR OUR LOST Potential. 5 year capt pay, at today's rate, with compounding.. The majority spoke against it. Where do I sign up?

 

[Mamma]

Ok...I'm a little confused here. Many of you have called the old guys greedy because they want to hang around and earn more money. Then you rationalize your statement by saying that they are costing you money. Isn't that greedy on your part? I guess there is going to be a greedy party here...just this time the old guys beat the young ones.

Hey Einstein,
The old guys have been beating the young guys forever. That is how a seniority based system works. Are you still a little confused? Here is where I have the complaint. You geezers say you want to stick around because you "love" flying and want to keep busy. The "young guys" want to make a living and support their families. That is the difference. The system was set up so you could retire at 60 and be OK. I know things have happened but I think if you managed your money well over the years you could retire just fine. If you have 3 wives and a host of other bad decisions that led you into forced servitude, then that is your fault. Oh, by the way:

http://commerce.senate.gov/public/i...ngs.Testimony&Hearing_ID=1581&Witness_ID=4478

 

[Mamma]

Don't waste your time and money on lawsuits. Only the lawyers will win (and pocket lots of your money).

Channel your energy into the union and at the bargaining table. FO pay rates need to come up before/at a greater percentage than CA rates to make up for the delay/loss of potential future earnings.

As someone posted - FOs did not lose actual income, we lost potential income. It was never guaranteed in any way, shape, or form. Lots of things can have a negative impact on projected or potential income - this just happens to be one of them.

File an ASAP report everytme you fly with a geezer and include this link. Tell the union this is not safe. ALPA leads the way in safety issues!

http://commerce.senate.gov/public/i...ngs.Testimony&Hearing_ID=1581&Witness_ID=4478

 

[capt. megadeth]

I would bet that a higher percentage of pilots will be working past 60 in 2 decades than will continue past 60 now.

DUH!!!

Of course we will....we will have no choice by then. 60 will be the new 55.

 

[whymeworry?]

No doubt, Capt rate will have to come down to pay for the FO rates that are going to go up. Fact is there are more FOs than Captains so the voting block will far exceed what the old farts want.

My suggestion to the negotiating committee is 90% of captain pay. All the contracts now have to be renegotiated. Want to stick around? Fine, but I'm not going to be the one financing your toys and your lifestyle.

 

[52560]

Hey Einstein,
The old guys have been beating the young guys forever. That is how a seniority based system works. Are you still a little confused? Here is where I have the complaint. You geezers say you want to stick around because you "love" flying and want to keep busy. The "young guys" want to make a living and support their families. That is the difference. The system was set up so you could retire at 60 and be OK. I know things have happened but I think if you managed your money well over the years you could retire just fine. If you have 3 wives and a host of other bad decisions that led you into forced servitude, then that is your fault. Oh, by the way:

http://commerce.senate.gov/public/i...ngs.Testimony&Hearing_ID=1581&Witness_ID=4478

Part of the reason this law got passed is because too many of you can't make a compelling argument to save your life. What are you trying to say here....all I got out of it was that you think I am an old geezer with three wives. Well, you are wrong on two accounts there. By the way, I didn't want to see this law passed. Believe it or not, I am on your side. But jeeze, no wonder this industry is going to hell in a hand basket. Too many idots open there mouths and let crap flow out! For those that can't truly do something good about it, shut the hell up so those that can make a legitmate argument can do so without you screwing up their cause.