Skywest Upgrade...

[kj6991]

for those wanting to come over and chase a quick RJ upgrade, you may wanna rethink. just got off the phone with our upgrade/class coordinator and things are not going to be quite like they were last year, unless addition flying is added soon. i've been here 2.5 years, could have upgraded last fall but was seatlocked, and she told me its gonna be another 6 months before i'll be in class. of course, things could always change, but the 1.5 year upgrade may be long gone unless something is announced soon. classes are gonna be much smaller on the captain side. just some info and food for thought.

 

[John Pennekamp]

for those wanting to come over and chase a quick RJ upgrade, you may wanna rethink. just got off the phone with our upgrade/class coordinator and things are not going to be quite like they were last year, unless addition flying is added soon. i've been here 2.5 years, could have upgraded last fall but was seatlocked, and she told me its gonna be another 6 months before i'll be in class. of course, things could always change, but the 1.5 year upgrade may be long gone unless something is announced soon. classes are gonna be much smaller on the captain side. just some info and food for thought.

Upgrade doesn't break a seat lock at SkyWest?!!! WTF?!!! We've had that since 1998 at ASA.

Maybe you need a union...

 

[outtahere]

HA! HA! HA! But I thought Jerry would reward you morons for being good lap dogs?

 

[KL24]

Last fall would have put you long past a seat lock if you've been here over 2 years. 2.5 years ago is June 2005. Seat lock would have been up June 2006, leaving half of 2006 and 8 months of 2007 before they halted upgrades. Doesn't sound like the whole truth. Plus, you must have seen the numbers on CRJ upgrades, appx 20 every class, not insignificant.

Unless you are trying to pawn a transition as an upgrade.

 

[Crizz]

Upgrade doesn't break a seat lock at SkyWest?!!! WTF?!!! We've had that since 1998 at ASA.

Maybe you need a union...

Voluntary transition from Brasilia to CRJ as FO seatlocks you in that seat for 1 year. There is no upgrade seatlock as a newhire.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Voluntary transition from Brasilia to CRJ as FO seatlocks you in that seat for 1 year. There is no upgrade seatlock as a newhire.

Regardless, FOs can transfer all they want to at ASA. Upgrade still breaks a freeze.

 

[Crizz]

Regardless, FOs can transfer all they want to at ASA. Upgrade still breaks a freeze.

I seem to remember some saga about guys trying to bid out of the ATR over there. How was that again?

 

[outtahere]

They got bypassed for FO to FO, not FO to Captain. Plus if they got bypassed for ATR FO to 700 FO they got payed as 700 FO. Do you have that at skywest? Oh thats right you guys don't have a 700 pay scale.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I seem to remember some saga about guys trying to bid out of the ATR over there. How was that again?

Our contract has a clause that states that if you bid a position of the same pay, the company MAY bypass you for a less senior pilot. This has caused ATR pilots to be bypassed if we bid the -200. Because of this, we just bid the -700 for the higher pay scale provided in our contract.

In fact, there's also a clause in the contract that if and FO bids a higher pay position an can hold the award, the company may bypass them, but must pay them the higher pay. Because of this, most of the ATR FOs get -700 pay.

This has nothing to do with upgrades, though. How long do you think Uncle Jerry will keep that -700 override now that the union threat is gone?

 

[kj6991]

Last fall would have put you long past a seat lock if you've been here over 2 years. 2.5 years ago is June 2005. Seat lock would have been up June 2006, leaving half of 2006 and 8 months of 2007 before they halted upgrades. Doesn't sound like the whole truth. Plus, you must have seen the numbers on CRJ upgrades, appx 20 every class, not insignificant.

Unless you are trying to pawn a transition as an upgrade.

I spent well over a year on the EMB then transitioned over you fu@kin jacka$$. Figured someone like you would chime in like that. And there isn't gonna be 20 upgrades in every class, note my original post and conversation with VA. Like I said, I spoke with her and was just reporting what she told me in case anyone needed some current info.

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

I spent well over a year on the EMB then transitioned over you fu@kin jacka$$. Figured someone like you would chime in like that. And there isn't gonna be 20 upgrades in every class, note my original post and conversation with VA. Like I said, I spoke with her and was just reporting what she told me in case anyone needed some current info.

I hope I don't fly with either of you.


Sounds like a pleasure to be with....

Glad your happy with your choices in life.

 

[Hypoxik]

Thought OO was going to be pushing XJT out of LAX...

Hence your new flying.........

 

[kj6991]

I hope I don't fly with either of you.


Sounds like a pleasure to be with....

Glad your happy with your choices in life.

1. I could care less to fly with you either
2. I couldn't be happier with my choices
3. I was simply posting useful info for pilots who may be interested in SkyWest.

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

1. I could care less to fly with you either
2. I couldn't be happier with my choices
3. I was simply posting useful info for pilots who may be interested in SkyWest.

Thankfully, your tone isn't the typical I have found.

 

[TAWS]

Are you sure you were "seat-locked" and not under the 2500hr mark?
Reason: Got 2 buddies over there and they said that a whole bunch of flight instructor types were passed over for upgrade earlier this year because they didn't have enough hours, hence the 1yr (short lived) upgrade. Those peeps are now starting to reach that min time and the upgrades are going to 2.5 yrs+.
I didn't think the seat lock over there worked that way.
The seat lock at RAH is for 2 yrs (after upgrade - to prevent people from hopping from a/c to a/c) and doesn't apply to FOs.

 

[BoilerUP]

Thankfully, your tone isn't the typical I have found.

Doesn't sound like he's bitter to me...instead it sounds like he's extremely realistic given the situation.

God forbid someone not gulp the koolaid all the time...

 

[auspac]

for those wanting to come over and chase a quick RJ upgrade, you may wanna rethink. just got off the phone with our upgrade/class coordinator and things are not going to be quite like they were last year, unless addition flying is added soon. i've been here 2.5 years, could have upgraded last fall but was seatlocked, and she told me its gonna be another 6 months before i'll be in class. of course, things could always change, but the 1.5 year upgrade may be long gone unless something is announced soon. classes are gonna be much smaller on the captain side. just some info and food for thought.

Don't worry, they'll be some additional flying soon. May not bring it down to 1.5 years again, but you'll still be far better off here than at ASA. How many 2.5 year captains are there at ASA anyway?

 

[flyboyzz1]

Well I have an interview on the 18th and let me tell you... anything sounds better than the 8 years I have here at eagle. I'm not chasing the fast upgrade just any upgrade!

 

[outtahere]

Don't worry, they'll be some additional flying soon. May not bring it down to 1.5 years again, but you'll still be far better off here than at ASA. How many 2.5 year captains are there at ASA anyway?

Well lets see, currently the uprade on the ATR is two years, and the jet is 2.5. So you were saying jackazz? I try not to wish bad on anyone, but I do so hope you parasites are forced to see the horrible truth of this industry, and I hope Jerry forgets the lube. Most of you are real pieces of sh!t.

 

[yellowfever]

Don't worry, they'll be some additional flying soon. May not bring it down to 1.5 years again, but you'll still be far better off here than at ASA. How many 2.5 year captains are there at ASA anyway?

Maybe if ASA aimed lower and flew the 900 for 50 seat rates they would be "rewarded" with more flying. Wake up...Skywest is no better than any other average regional airline.

 

[Erlanger]

Maybe if ASA aimed lower and flew the 900 for 50 seat rates they would be "rewarded" with more flying. Wake up...Skywest is no better than any other average regional airline.

Skywest pilots are not flying the 700/900 at 50 seat rates and at the end of the year, Skywest pilots still make more then any other regional pilot for the same hours; even more then those that make a more hourly rate.

 

[BoilerUP]

Skywest pilots still make more then any other regional pilot for the same hours; even more then those that make a more hourly rate.

I've seen SKW's workrules and payrates and agree that they're better than many others...but that is a pretty bold statement.

 

[Erlanger]

I've seen SKW's workrules and payrates and agree that they're better than many others...but that is a pretty bold statement.

My bonus last year for 900 hrs. of flying was $8000.00. That's just one of numerous ways we make more. Need I list the many other ways we make more.

I have a friend at Xjet and 2 friends at Horizon. We've compared paychecks. Both airlines make more hourly then Skywest, yet I made more then all my friend for the approx. same hours. My Xjet friend has been there 1 year less then I've been here and my Horizon friends have both been there just a few months more.

 

[BoilerUP]

Need I list the many other ways we make more.

I'll take your word for it - there's no need for you to pull out a ruler, but thanks for offering...uke:

If you subtract your bonus (which admittedly is still compensation, and evidently pretty healthy at that) how did you compare with your friends then? No flame, honestly curious.

 

[yellowfever]

Skywest pilots are not flying the 700/900 at 50 seat rates and at the end of the year, Skywest pilots still make more then any other regional pilot for the same hours; even more then those that make a more hourly rate.

I worked at Skywest...you are flying the 700/900 for 50 seat rates. And...it is a average regional!

 

[kj6991]

I worked at Skywest...you are flying the 700/900 for 50 seat rates. And...it is a average regional!

Of course it is because you have now moved on to greener pastures i'm assuming. Where are you now? Probably somewhere very respectable. Have you worked at Pinnacle, TSA, PSA, Mesa, Mesaba, GoJet, Great Lakes, Colgan, Eagle/Horizon( 7+ year upgrade), ASA?...... I would consider those places "average" knowing a lot of people that work at those various places. or maybe I'm just drinking the kool-aid huh? Kool-aid that has been drenched in everclear, chilled, and frozen into about 500 lovely jello shots.

 

[amcnd]

You should always know that the first of the year Captain goes very senior!! Who wants to be in training durring Thanksgiving and Christmas. So yes I can see her telling you its going to be 6 months. Stop complaining about a 2.5 year or even a 4 year upgrade. Talk to all the Eagle or Horizon pilots about that one.

 

[sweptback]

Skywest pilots are not flying the 700/900 at 50 seat rates and at the end of the year, Skywest pilots still make more then any other regional pilot for the same hours; even more then those that make a more hourly rate.

So, let's see here. You say that SkyWest pilots are the best paid in the industry? That can't be right.

How is that possible now that ASA has a higher hourly rate (industry leading in the fee-for-departure world), plus the same or better workrules as SkyWest, as well as the same profit sharing plan?