Latest t/a guess

[fly4funcrj]

Now that all of the info has made it's way to the pilot group, any guesses as to the:
Participation % and the pass/fail %?

I'm guessing 87% participate with a 64% yes, 28% no, and 8% disqualified.

 

[Guitar Guy]

IBB is ratified.

- 86% turnout
- 71% yes, 29% no of valid ballots
- 4% of returned ballots get disqualified

I haven't heard from anyone that thinks IBB will fail to be ratified in my unscientific polling.

We'll know next Tuesday.

 

[x402]

70% turn out

60/40 pass

 

[gutshotdraw]

From the outside looking in, I'm guessing 85% turnout and better than 70-30 pass.

 

[208starcheck]

My guesses:

1. The vote will be counted on the 20th.

2. Some people will vote yes, while others vote no.

 

[goahead]

So the guys voting no, what are they disappointed with?

 

[FLYLOW22]

So the guys voting no, what are they disappointed with?

Some said we could have "done better". They say this without any knowledge of what transpired in negotiations.

Some don't like issues that affect themselves personally.

Some think they are looking out for the whole group of pilots here by voting know becasue they just "know" that IBB is a bad deal.

Most are just ignorant of the particulars, verbology, transcript intent, etc in the IBB TA and have closed their brains as the result of a normal human psycological reaction to the fear of change.

I can't fault any of the above.

The lazy ones that haven't/won't read the TA prior to voting and won't ask questions of the people who negotiated it... those are the ones I find hard to stomach.

The ones not voting aren't hurting or helping anyone (including themselves). They also don't get bitching rights or the right to claim that they did their part in the process.

I'd rather have an non voter pilot than one who is ignorant and votes anyway.

A pilot who reads, asks, learns and still votes no... I respect 100%.

A pilot who reads, asks, learns and still votes yes... I respect 100%

 

[notaNJApilot]

so the vote will still be counted on the 20th?

 

[kevin_p]

No, the votes won't be counted until 12/7 now because there were people too lazy to print out the documents from the union website and wanted a hard copy of the TA mailed to them. Since the mail ran slower than expected, the union leadership decided to postpone the vote for 2 1/2 weeks to make sure everyone received their hard copy. As a first year FO, this is costing me $832 in lost pay assuming it passes. Needless to say, I'm not happy about the delay.

 

[x402]

No, the votes won't be counted until 12/7 now because there were people too lazy to print out the documents from the union website and wanted a hard copy of the TA mailed to them. Since the mail ran slower than expected, the union leadership decided to postpone the vote for 2 1/2 weeks to make sure everyone received their hard copy. As a first year FO, this is costing me $832 in lost pay assuming it passes. Needless to say, I'm not happy about the delay.

Ah, so it turns out to be about YOU, not the 50% of members that didn't get the TA, as promised by the MEC. Some haven't received their ballots. Sorry, you have to wait a few more days.