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The two experts look at generic block letters and compare to only the handwriting of the individual believed to have written them? I'm impressed.
 
One more reason for ALPA at SkyWest. Imagine what this guy went through at his own expense.
 
Every once in a while the good guys win. Way to go Don for never giving in! For those younger guys who think they are immune from this ever happening, think again. Don, never in his wildest dreams thought this would happen to him. All it takes is to get on one pissed off managers bad side that is having a bad day and you are the whipping boy. Don had an impecable flying career of 16 years. SIXTEEN YEARS without so much as a hicup in his training and never a disciplinary problem. Not one. Then after getting in the cross hairs of one out of contol cheif pilot his career is very nearly ruined. It can happen to anyone. Ive seen the most ardent anti alpa folks do a 180 that realize even with thier butt kissing they arent completely immune. Get smart. Get protected.
 
By the way DON WAS ANTI-UNION. Guess where he stands on the issue now?! It only takes one event. Alot of guys here arent trained to do anything but fly planes. Even with a degree, with no experience in the business world or MBA you are pretty much starting in the mail room. With the pilot records sharing act and how it has morphed into something it was not intended for (disciplinary info being mailed to all prospective employers) your career is almost certainly toast or at the least set back by ten years should something like this happen to you. Don is around 50 years old. His carreer would have ended had he not had the resources to fight this. Over 30 guys/gals have been fired from skywest over the last two years, moreso than any other similar carrier. Many didnt have the resources to fight like Don. Something like this, without support sucks the life out of the pilot (no sleep, no money, family trauma up to and including divorce) to the point he cant hardly even say what he wants to say in the event he ever does have the chance to try to defend himself in front of a bunch of people who are probably already hedged going with the manager. What about Sapa, please look at this case. Its not a far flung, made up scenario. It happend and a pilot was unfairly fired. Sapa actually hurt this guys case. Once again, folks just like when you fly, hope for the best but contingency plan and buy some insurance for the worst!
 
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Wow... just wow.

"As a pilot, [Douglas] was trained to declare himself unfit should he become unfit during the course of a shift. He believed that it would be a violation of federal air safety regulations if he were to fly unfit, or were to allow a crew member to fly that he had determined was unfit," Pulver wrote.
"He also believed that he as the captain had the final authority to make fitness determinations concerning himself and his crew," the judge wrote.
SkyWest disagreed. After an investigation, Tony Fizer, the airline's western region chief pilot, suspended Douglas for a week without pay and put a letter of reprimand in Douglas's personnel file. Fizer said Douglas was already unfit to fly when he arrived for work. Douglas also did not have the authority to keep his crew from flying, Fizer said.
Two months later, a review board reversed the suspension and downgraded the severity of the letter. Fizer was told to inform Douglas that in the future he should consult with a flight surgeon before declaring himself unfit and each crew member must tell the company if they believe they are unable to work. Only if a crew member was incapacitated could Douglas declare that person unfit for duty.
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Fizer, whoever you are, you are unfit to be a Chief Pilot in this writer's opinion.

Is Fizer the EMB FO / Chief Pilot that we have heard about all the way out here on the East Coast?

ALPA should send this idiot a Christmas card. Nobody can organize a union the way this kind of manager can.
 
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congrats to DD and welcome back!
 
Pulver said Douglas is entitled to back pay and attorney fees.


I think that this is the most important part! Lets hope he gets it, all of it! :)

The arthritis part is a little weak though.
 
FmrFreightDog said:
Well, referencing the article, all I can say is, "You can still Fu*k Fizer" (some of the funniest crap I have ever heard).

Need ALPA yet, guys????
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Reading the court document early in the morning I about blew coffee when I read that. My wife looking over my shoulder also gave points to that as being one of the most well deployed graffiti antics ever. F'ing classic! You Sir, whoever you may be, are an artist!
 
Fu-k Fizer!
 
Careful, they have recently hired a forensic typing expert and although it is the same block letter font for everyone, rumor has it they have tied all Flightinfo graffiti to one single Skywest pilot.

Usernames and individual posts we're not considered.

Just what I heard...
 
Traumahawk said:
Careful, they have recently hired a forensic typing expert and although it is the same block letter font for everyone, rumor has it they have tied all Flightinfo graffiti to one single Skywest pilot.

Usernames and individual posts we're not considered.

Just what I heard...
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I recommend that all FI posters now type with their lefthand. This should take care of the problem.
 
~~~^~~~ said:
Is Fizer the EMB FO / Chief Pilot that we have heard about all the way out here on the East Coast?
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The EMB FO CP you're thinking about was the former DEN chief. He was actually a VERY GOOD chief pilot. He may have been an FO, but he had a lot of management experience from the military.

He left his chief pilot position around July of last year to take a job at SGU. That was a big loss for the DEN pilot group at the time.
 
;) maybe it was me that did the grafitti

I love how the judge says it was not DD who did it, and then KB says it was,

Is KB just hopin that he can lie his way though his anti-alpa campaign, and that SkyWest pilots are just too dumb to check the facts?

-J
 
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inthegoo said:
;) maybe it was me that did the grafitti

I love how the judge says it was not DD who did it, and then KB says it was,

Is KB just hopin that he can lie his way though his anti-alpa campaign, and that SkyWest pilots are just too dumb to check the facts?

-J
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Sadly, this has worked many times in the past...
 
Jason
i think you hit the nail on the head. I hope we prove that wrong!!! I just voted...it was not that difficult. (as SGU and DL seems to think it is.)
 
viper548 said:
Inthegoo,
I like the line through the "Z" Nice touch!
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I've been seeing the letter "Z" pop up in various places like TOLD cards, manifest pads, etc. I even saw a tribute to the FF graffiti in one of the stalls. I don't think we recently hired Zorro did we?
 
Ha Ha found this on another message board and thought it was kinda humourous.

Reading through this and other postings on the Internet one gets the impression of a personality clash taking place between a guy in his late forties still stuck flying regional airline Brazilias all hours of the night, through wintertime cold fronts, into mountainous airports, and his slightly younger Chief Pilot who, when he isn't at SkyWest, is flying a helicopter for a Salt Lake television station and getting media face time as Mr. Super Pilot.

It isn't difficult to extrapolate that Captain Douglas on the night in question probably didn't ooze aeronautical enthusiasm as he checked into dispatch. His attitude, after checking the JAC meteorological conditions, could have become infectious. His F/O came down with a sudden onset of cronic fatique syndrome and their flight attendant Brandee Black reported her arthritis becoming particularly acute. SkyWest was becoming the regional airline equivalent of the National Football League injury reserve list. But they fought through physical distress like dedicated airline employees and off they went to Jackson Hole.

And what did they get for all their effort? ATC gave them a holding pattern, perhaps while they attempt to clear the snow on the JAC runway or the winds/crosswind component lowered to acceptable landing standards. Sometime between a teardrop entry into the holding pattern and the decision to return to SLC it's not a stretch to say the Brazilia cockpit became infected with a profusion of BAD WORDS. Yes profanity; about their airline's dispatch, management and his brown nosing Chief Pilot in particular and maybe life in general. As he checked for rime ice accumulation and his Brazilia's fuel supply, the thought may have crossed Captain Douglas that (well into his forties) he was flying a G@# D@#n 30 passenger turboprop into Jackson Hole instead of a Boeing 747-400 into Sydney or Paris. As the evening wore on toward midnight the fatigued and psychologically drained crew diverted back to Salt Lake. In the dark and silent cockpit Captain Don Douglas felt a dull ache, a painful throbbing sensation grow...and grow between his loins. The physician was wrong about the degree of discomfort his vasectomy operation would yield; his balls hurt like hell!

When the crew blocked-in back at SLC and completed their paperwork what was their reward? A flight back to JAC through the same weather scheduled five hours later at 4:40 am. The odds of that crew accepting that flight were as likely as turkeys flying with eagles.

Is should be noted that the folks on this site are not particularly pilot friendly. http://dm.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3652402/
 
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And another good one:

Douglas: You want answers?

Fizer : I think I'm entitled to them.

Douglas: You want answers?

Fizer: I want the truth!

Douglas: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has weather. And those releases have to be flown by men with alertness. Who's gonna do it? You Fizer? You, Ms Human Resources? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for cancellations and you curse the pilots. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that cancelled leg, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that flight. You need me on that flight.
We use words like honor, hand writing experts, ALPA...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a stand up and fly in bad weather. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

Fizer: Did you call in fatigue?

Douglas: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.

Fizer: Did you call in fatigue?

Douglas: You're %&$#damn right I did!!

Sorry folk...i just wanted to have some fun during this union drive:)
 
120% Torque said:
Ha Ha found this on another message board and thought it was kinda humourous.

Reading through this and other postings on the Internet one gets the impression of a personality clash taking place between a guy in his late forties still stuck flying regional airline Brazilias all hours of the night, through wintertime cold fronts, into mountainous airports, and his slightly younger Chief Pilot who, when he isn't at SkyWest, is flying a helicopter for a Salt Lake television station and getting media face time as Mr. Super Pilot.

It isn't difficult to extrapolate that Captain Douglas on the night in question probably didn't ooze aeronautical enthusiasm as he checked into dispatch. His attitude, after checking the JAC meteorological conditions, could have become infectious. His F/O came down with a sudden onset of cronic fatique syndrome and their flight attendant Brandee Black reported her arthritis becoming particularly acute. SkyWest was becoming the regional airline equivalent of the National Football League injury reserve list. But they fought through physical distress like dedicated airline employees and off they went to Jackson Hole.

And what did they get for all their effort? ATC gave them a holding pattern, perhaps while they attempt to clear the snow on the JAC runway or the winds/crosswind component lowered to acceptable landing standards. Sometime between a teardrop entry into the holding pattern and the decision to return to SLC it's not a stretch to say the Brazilia cockpit became infected with a profusion of BAD WORDS. Yes profanity; about their airline's dispatch, management and his brown nosing Chief Pilot in particular and maybe life in general. As he checked for rime ice accumulation and his Brazilia's fuel supply, the thought may have crossed Captain Douglas that (well into his forties) he was flying a G@# D@#n 30 passenger turboprop into Jackson Hole instead of a Boeing 747-400 into Sydney or Paris. As the evening wore on toward midnight the fatigued and psychologically drained crew diverted back to Salt Lake. In the dark and silent cockpit Captain Don Douglas felt a dull ache, a painful throbbing sensation grow...and grow between his loins. The physician was wrong about the degree of discomfort his vasectomy operation would yield; his balls hurt like hell!

When the crew blocked-in back at SLC and completed their paperwork what was their reward? A flight back to JAC through the same weather scheduled five hours later at 4:40 am. The odds of that crew accepting that flight were as likely as turkeys flying with eagles.

Is should be noted that the folks on this site are not particularly pilot friendly. http://dm.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3652402/
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They should read the pleading letter DD sent to Jerry A. asking for his job back. This guy LOVES flying at SkyWest. For the love, some people just don't get it. It was the other way around...with Fizer being full of himself and being pissed off that Douglas wouldn't back down from maintaining his correctness in calling in sick and his innocence in the graffiti incident.
 
anyone see this reply?

[FONT=ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva][FONT=ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva][FONT=ARIAL,] ALPA is not and was not a part of this and it would not have made a difference. How many pilots were terminated in the last 10 years per 1000 at Skywest, at ASA, at Comair... Sorry, the fact is more pilots were terminated at ALPA unionized COMAIR then SKYWEST. The argument is moot.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
 
SkyNation said:
anyone see this reply?

[FONT=ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva][FONT=ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva][FONT=ARIAL,]ALPA is not and was not a part of this and it would not have made a difference. How many pilots were terminated in the last 10 years per 1000 at Skywest, at ASA, at Comair... Sorry, the fact is more pilots were terminated at ALPA unionized COMAIR then SKYWEST. The argument is moot.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
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Source?

I didn't think so.

Were you born as a management tool, or did you have your lips surgically attached to a certain orifice at a later point in time?
 

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