MEI Question

[pgcfii2002]

In order to give a BFR in a twin, does the instructor have to be an MEI?

In other words, is the BFR catagory and class specific??

 

[erj-145mech]

While administering a Bi-ennial, are you the PIC?

 

[340drvr]

Short answer: No.

61.56 Flight Review 61.56(a) "......consists of a minimum of 1 hour of flight training......"

61.195(b) "A flight instructor may not conduct flight training in any aircraft for which the flight instructor does not hold
(1) A pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate with the applicable category and class ratings

 

[nosehair]

While administering a Bi-ennial, are you the PIC?

While I understand your point, that the authorized instructor must be rated in the category and class when he is providing the flight training required in 61.56 Flight Review, he does not necessarily have to be PIC, unless the applicant has allowed his Flight Review to expire, and is no longer able to be PIC.

But, as long as the Flight Review applicant is within the 2 year period, and otherwise current, the CFI does not actually have to be the PIC in order to give flight training, or flight reviews. This is the method by which a single engine instructor can do a flight review in a..tailwheel, for example,..without the tailwheel endorsement.

May or may not be good judgement, but it would be legal. If it's not good judgement and an accident occurs, of course, the instructor will still eat it, even though he is not officially the PIC.

 

[igneousy2]

Are you people serious....NO!!! you cannot give a Flight review in a ME if you are not an MEI!

1) Accomplished a flight review given in an aircraft for which that pilot is rated by an authorized instructor;

(2) Authorized instructor means--
(ii) A person who holds a current flight instructor certificate issued under part 61 of this chapter when conducting ground training or flight training in accordance with the privileges and limitations of his or her flight instructor certificate...

A person who holds a flight instructor certificate is authorized within the limitations of that person's flight instructor certificate and ratings to give training and endorsements that are required for, and relate to...

And if that's not enough for you...

61.195...

(b) Aircraft ratings. A flight instructor may not conduct flight training in any aircraft for which the flight instructor does not hold:
(1) A pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate with the applicable category and class rating; and
(2) If appropriate, a type rating.

Where is the gray area?

jeez

 

[igneousy2]

While administering a Bi-ennial, are you the PIC?

It does not matter who the PIC is in this situation. You are mixing up issues related to the need for a medical with the need to have an MEI. They are not the same.

 

[erj-145mech]

But on a flight review, I log the time as pilot in command, not dual received.

The only entry made by the instructor is the bi-ennial endorsement in the logbook.

And the hour long flight is about twice the amount of time needed to perform the flight. I usually end up flying around sight seeing after the maneuvers have been demonstrated to get the required time to satisfy the regs.

 

[nosehair]

But on a flight review, I log the time as pilot in command, not dual received.

The only entry made by the instructor is the bi-ennial endorsement in the logbook.

And the hour long flight is about twice the amount of time needed to perform the flight. I usually end up flying around sight seeing after the maneuvers have been demonstrated to get the required time to satisfy the regs.

The regulation requires at least 1 hour ground and one hour flight training by an autrhorized instructor which requires a logbook entry of at least that much time and signed by an authorized instructor.

Of course you may log dual and PIC. But the dual must be logged as well as the Flight Review endorsement.

...and you are only fooling youself to think you can "knock out" this review in 30 minutes.

There is always new stuff to learn....and there is always something to improve on with the old stuff.

Your bragging is not becoming to a professional.

 

[erj-145mech]

I've been flying this same airplane since 1989, have over 700 hours in it. There is nothing that I have not seen in it.

When is the last time that you intentionally spun a multi engine airplane? Unusual attitudes, not an issue in a 337.

Tell me, why would it take any longer to do a flight review, every flight regieme can be covered? Single engine, short, soft field, full stall series to include accellerated stalls. Anything longer simply pads the instructors wallet. Plain and simple.

 

[Frozen Ronin]

I was doing a bfr in the owners aircraft, he had over 5,000 hours of flight in the airplane. When I asked him to show me the emergency procedure for gear extension, things got quiet in the cockpit. How about if the electrical system went on strike? Let's turn off the alternator and battery, navigate back to the station, and put the gear down.

There's always things to work on, things to learn, no matter how long you've had the airplane or how many hours you have been in it. Sounds a little funny to hear someone say they've done it all, seen it all. Didn't that feel funny to say? It should have.

Ronin

 

[erj-145mech]

Since I restored the aircraft from two truckloads of component items, I have an intimate knowledge of my aircraft.
I also perform the annual inspections yearly on the bird.
This includes pumping the gear up and down using the hand pump. The engine driven pump is on the front engine. I cage the engine, and pump the gear down, at a safe altitude, periodically, then perform an airstart on the powerplant. The engine is equipped with unfeathering accumulators. The airstart procedure is different with them than without. Would you have known that? I am an expert on my aircraft, and there is no way that an ordinary MEI would have the knowledge and experience on each aircraft that he may park his butt in for an hour every other year.
I can safely say "Been there, done that, got the T shirt".

So what are you going to teach me on a flight review? Remember, this is a review, not an instruction period.

Some individuals may take less time to demonstrate maneuvers on a flight review, some may require more time. What I'm saying that the FAA made an error in making it mandatory to arbitrarily make a flight review to last an hour in the air. This should be at the discretion of the instructor, not a bureaucrat.

What if they arbitrarily told me that I have to spend 20 hours performing an annual on your C-172?

 

[nosehair]

Anything longer simply pads the instructors wallet.

If that's your mindset, Sir, no worthwhile instructor will want to do anything for you.

 

[nosehair]

I am an expert on my aircraft, and there is no way that an ordinary MEI would have the knowledge and experience on each aircraft that he may park his butt in for an hour every other year.
I can safely say "Been there, done that, got the T shirt".

Again, if you are so full of yourself that no one can teach, polish, review, update, or simply share experiences with you, no professional will want to waste their time on you.

So what are you going to teach me on a flight review? Remember, this is a review, not an instruction period.

As I posted in an earlier post, it is an instructional period, by regulation. "1 hour each of ground and flight training." It is a dual requirement.

Did you learn anything today?

What I'm saying that the FAA made an error in making it mandatory to arbitrarily make a flight review to last an hour in the air. This should be at the discretion of the instructor, not a bureaucrat.

In spite of your "I know it all" attitude, you are exceptionally well qualified on this particular aircraft, and it is going to be hard to find a seasoned CFI who can actually do some worthwhile training, and I also agree that I usually don't like mandatory numbers for training. But in 99% of the cases, the 1 hour is not overly demanding.

And, it is true that most instructors are young and inexperienced and would be intimidated by personalities like yours.

Which is the only reason why I support this one exception to mandatory time requirements.

Look at the statistics, GA pilots are the worst at not keeping themselves proficient. You may be very skilled and proficient and not need this review as far as normal everyday operations go, but in the larger picture most of us do.

And, Sir, if you are as proficient as you say you are, I would think you could teach a young instructor a thing or two instead of tooling around sight-seing on you Flight Review.

"Pay it forward."

 

[Flyboy6420]

Since I restored the aircraft from two truckloads of component items, I have an intimate knowledge of my aircraft.
I also perform the annual inspections yearly on the bird.
This includes pumping the gear up and down using the hand pump. The engine driven pump is on the front engine. I cage the engine, and pump the gear down, at a safe altitude, periodically, then perform an airstart on the powerplant. The engine is equipped with unfeathering accumulators. The airstart procedure is different with them than without. Would you have known that? I am an expert on my aircraft, and there is no way that an ordinary MEI would have the knowledge and experience on each aircraft that he may park his butt in for an hour every other year.
I can safely say "Been there, done that, got the T shirt".

So what are you going to teach me on a flight review? Remember, this is a review, not an instruction period.

Some individuals may take less time to demonstrate maneuvers on a flight review, some may require more time. What I'm saying that the FAA made an error in making it mandatory to arbitrarily make a flight review to last an hour in the air. This should be at the discretion of the instructor, not a bureaucrat.

What if they arbitrarily told me that I have to spend 20 hours performing an annual on your C-172?

The minimum is there precisely for pilots like yourself, who feel the rules do not apply to them.

You are not special...you are an accident waiting to happen.

 

[erj-145mech]

The minimum is there precisely for pilots like yourself, who feel the rules do not apply to them.

You are not special...you are an accident waiting to happen.

OK d1ckweed, you know nothing about me. I am very cautious and my personal minimums are above the regs when it comes to WX. Do you agree that most GA accidents are WX related?

I never said that the rules do not apply, I said that the rules were arbitrarily applied by bureaucrats. Don't read anything into my statement that isn't there. You must be one of those 300 hour wonder CFI's that are Gods gift to aviation?

I have taught lots of things to low time instructors, both about aircraft structures and systems, and Skymaster aircraft operations. Skymasters, like most aircraft have unique characteristics, so there are many times where one technique used on one aircraft is not applicable on another. Many instructors do not know this and do a disservice to the flying public but teaching generalalities. I have seen many pilots that learned garbage from instructors, have gone on to instructing, and teach that same garbage to the student.

And I will close this by saying that it is a "Bi-ennial Flight Review", with review being the key word, not an instructional period. When you endorse the log, do you use the BFR phrase?

 

[erj-145mech]

The minimum is there precisely for pilots like yourself, who feel the rules do not apply to them.

You are not special...you are an accident waiting to happen.

And that is why you are a FlyBOY, and I am an aviator.

 

[Flyboy6420]

But on a flight review, I log the time as pilot in command, not dual received.

Whatever you are, you are operating without a proper flight review.

...but you already knew that, right hero??

 

[erj-145mech]

Whatever you are, you are operating without a proper flight review.

...but you already knew that, right hero??

Hey A¢e,
That might be your interpertation, but that is also wrong. I get ramp checked every other weekend at airshows by the local FSDO's as a performer. These different inspectors have examined my flight log, and aircraft logs with no discrepancies.
Please explain why geographically seperate FAA offices have found this to be in compliance?

And I may be a "hero" to you, but I like to think of myself as an ordinary aviator. I appreciate the compliment though.

No you may go back to your pathetic instructors lounge and knaw on your popcicle.

 

[igneousy2]

"Since I restored the aircraft from two truckloads of component items, I have an intimate knowledge of my aircraft...

I am an expert on my aircraft, and there is no way that an ordinary MEI would have the knowledge and experience on each aircraft that he may park his butt in for an hour every other year...

I can safely say "Been there, done that, got the T shirt"...

So what are you going to teach me on a flight review?

OK d1ckweed, you know nothing about me."


Oh!, I think we know plenty about you. I have to agree that with your stellar attitude (NOT!) you are an accident waiting to happen.

How about the next time you want a flight review you take a good look at yourself and when you talk to the instructor that is going to give you a BFR you ask him to teach you something you don't know. I know it's hard - you know everything right?


A good BFR is shaped for the student (<-yep, that's you) you probably don't need help with systems - but I bet you could cover some non-type specific stuff that maybe - perhaps - you might learn something.

Later

 

[erj-145mech]

"Since I restored the aircraft from two truckloads of component items, I have an intimate knowledge of my aircraft...

I am an expert on my aircraft, and there is no way that an ordinary MEI would have the knowledge and experience on each aircraft that he may park his butt in for an hour every other year...

I can safely say "Been there, done that, got the T shirt"...

So what are you going to teach me on a flight review?

OK d1ckweed, you know nothing about me."


Oh!, I think we know plenty about you. I have to agree that with your stellar attitude (NOT!) you are an accident waiting to happen.

How about the next time you want a flight review you take a good look at yourself and when you talk to the instructor that is going to give you a BFR you ask him to teach you something you don't know. I know it's hard - you know everything right?


A good BFR is shaped for the student (<-yep, that's you) you probably don't need help with systems - but I bet you could cover some non-type specific stuff that maybe - perhaps - you might learn something.

Later

And so, what could you teach me?