Delay of the Age 65 Rule

[luckytohaveajob]

The second pilot must be under 60 to ensure the safety of the flight.

Tejas Jet works for a regional flying little commuter hoops and doesn't know the first thing about safety. Tejas compromises safety for schedule daily so he has little regard for running the safest organization. But I don't blame Tejas personally as he is just doing what his company preaches which is exactly what he has to do. His companies business model has not lead the industry in any safety practices and its accident record does not reflect the damage it has done to air travel as a whole by chance much more than design.

Deregulation and the LCC business model is responsible for this lack of safety as the TOP priority.

Air travel has never made a long term profit and never will. It a short term game with the only winner those smart enough to get in and out before they get burned.

Air travel must be government regulated and subsidized to stand the test of time just as it has been during the last 104 years. But the governments as of late have also lost the need to create the safest organizations possible out of comprise and general lack of concern due to recent policy changes.

The US government now requires its officials to ride on private charters. It has eliminated its need of the air carriers for its most important needs concerning the transporting of its officials and dignitaries.

I would be very interested to learn about anyone with any information concerning the transporting of US government officials. I am sure there are requirements for the pilots to be under age 60.

The government doesn't use our social security system and they sure don't travel with the common people's systems either.

 

[FoxHunter]

Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Ten new cosponsors since Friday, 50+ in June alone.:beer:

 

[Deuce130]

Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Ten new cosponsors since Friday, 50+ in June alone.:beer:

I don't care if all 535 members of congress sponsor this bill - it could still be years before anything happens. Congress has much bigger issues on its hands than the plight of a few age 60+ pilots. And since when has congress ever moved quickly? Their definition of quick, decisive action is a period of years. Far too long to benefit anyone around age 60 right now. If it makes you feel any better Foxhunter, then take solace in the fact that the hard work of you and the rest of the geezers will benefit all the much younger guys right now (whether they want it or not, which I certainly don't). Anyone turning 60 this year will more than likely never have a front row seat to a VASI ever again. You specifically may, just may, luck out by going to the back seat then returning to the front, but I seriously doubt it. All of your hoping and praying will be for naught, I'm afraid.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Tejas,

But most of us that are honest with ourselves know that our skills deteriorate with age. Also, if it isn't a safety arguement, why do they require another pilot to be under the age of 60. Seems like a safety issue to me.--->Yes I'll agree that some skills do deteriorate...I can't play football anymore...and limit myself to just softball ( slow pitch) now instead of hardball that I did years ago. I still can't understand the "other pilot under 60" thing...sorry, I really can't explain it. I guess the best place to go with this is to Prater at his next road show meeting. There is one coming up...right?

Automation of aircraft has certainly eased the workload and increased the situational awareness of pilots. But the contract gutting of the past few years has also made the job alot more difficult with shorter layovers, more productivity, and less time off.--->Well, at "my house", our trips are either AM's or PM's. I fly AM's...get to the hotel around 2-3 or 4PM...crank up the next morning. I don't have the shorter layovers that you speak of.

My line this month has me with 16 days off. 2 day trips and 3 days sprinkled around.

 

[DiamondZ]

Call your conressman and explain why a qualified and healthy pilot should be "fired" so that your pay may advance at a quicker pace.

NO WAY will junior pay advance quicker. As a matter of fact it will stagnate therefore the argument should go

'....pay may advance like the qualified and healthy pilot's pace, not stagnate 5 yrs.'

 

[Tejas-Jet]

The second pilot must be under 60 to ensure the safety of the flight.

Tejas Jet works for a regional flying little commuter hoops and doesn't know the first thing about safety. Tejas compromises safety for schedule daily so he has little regard for running the safest organization. But I don't blame Tejas personally as he is just doing what his company preaches which is exactly what he has to do. His companies business model has not lead the industry in any safety practices and its accident record does not reflect the damage it has done to air travel as a whole by chance much more than design.

Whaaaahhhh....wahhhhhh...wahhhhh.

OK..some folks don't like that SWA has the HGS system for hand-flying Cat 3 approaches....

...and some folks don't like the onboard performance computer that we use to get our wt and balance numbers out of the way before we push from the gate...

..and now this guy....know what? Don't like it? Bothers you to some degree? Call the FAA...thats right, call the FAA...let them know all about your concerns...see what they say.

do that instead of crying on FI...you need to grow up.

 

[slaquer5]

Air travel must be government regulated and subsidized to stand the test of time just as it has been during the last 104 years. But the governments as of late have also lost the need to create the safest organizations possible out of comprise and general lack of concern due to recent policy changes.

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I would have to agree, capitalizm is highly overrated.I think all Big Business in the USA needs to be regulated. Look how successful Cuba has done doing things your way.

 

[Flopgut]

My union is spending lots of money and having a bunch of Washington blitzes pushing the age 65 change. Since the FAA announced they support the change and need to work the issue which they say will take 18 - 24 months, is there anything that can be done to fight against the change at this point, or at a minimum delay the change as long as possible. Anyone know of a formal group opposing the change?

Does calling my Congreassman accomplish anything? Or is congress simply waiting for the FAA to do their thing and then they will approve the change? Could congress approve the change through legislation before the FAA does all their study?

p.s. I already know that I am a bad person for not supprting the change so you do not need to rag about how selfish I am.

Couple thoughts:

Call your NC. They should be started on a financial analysis of the age 65 affects. According to CALALPA, this is going to get pretty ugly. The disparity is very significant, and it is going to have a bearing on everyone's negotiations. Tell your NC you want the benefits balanced out; Take some of the dollars out of the equation for those thirsting for a windfall and retirement will look better. ALPA is supposed to preserve age 60 as a normal retirement age, there is no better way to do that than give age 60-65 wages a haircut. Remember, we have control of the contracts and we are the majority. Don't get fooled by these guys again and we can manage this to every pilots benefit.

Age 65 is probably a reality (although I hope it's fought by individual pilot groups contracturaly). What needs to be done, vigorously I might add, is start fighting age 70! This APAAD effort, and the SWA pilot contingent are probably going to start hammering for it. This [age 65] will be the easiest, most undisciplined financial windfall they've ever enjoyed, and it's only going to wet their whisltle! They'll think it an easier option than traditional collective bargaining (don't have to get their hands dirty helping out everybody) and the government will probably help them again. Mgts will like it too because it divides us...

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Looks like age 60 is at least dead till sept according to the head of APAAD.



Reauthorization slipped again, with the Dems still trying to get the air traffic controller contract reopened. As the dollars are huge, and the Repubs/White House adamantly against, things have gotten messy at the committee level. Age 65 language (which WILL be included in the bill) is hostage to other, partisan, issues. All we can do is wait it out. It looks unlikely that anything will be voted out of committee this week. That means a delay until the week of July 9th, when Congress returns. The delay makes likely (if not a guarantee) that the issue will not be 'solved' until after Congress returns from its August break and votes (maybe) on FAA Reauthorization in September.

Regardless of how hard we work or how well we do, we are not in control of Congress or its blindness to the need for speed. Another two months will mean 400 more pilots on the street and (an average of) 25 more SWA pilots. Sucks.

Next Blitz is July 17-19. We need to nail this down solidly and, if we need to, have the sponsors lined up that will allow us to move forward in other venues if FAA Rauthorization runs into trouble. Failure is not an option. Too many jobs are at risk.

Let me know as soon as possible as to when you will attend. And make your hotel res NOW. It's summer and there are lots of tourists (and lobbyists) on the Hill.

Funding remains important. The APAAD leadership team asks that you contribute so that we may continue to fund our Washington efforts, as well as generate a multi-month PR campaign that will benefit all of us. Send contributions to:

APAAD
Fifth Third Bank
P.O. Box 635071
Cincinnati, OH 45263-5071

 

[Huck]

25 more SWA pilots. Sucks.

Wellll..... it won't suck for the

- 25 guys who will upgrade to captain,

- the 25 guys who will get hired at SWA,

- the 25 guys who will replace those new-hires at whatever job.

I think if the APAAD guys try real hard, they may recall those moments in their careers, brought to them by the age 60 rule they're now killing.

On a different note - whoever APAAD's lobbyists are, ALPA needs to hire them. You've got to admire their work....