checklist item input

[matthewjohn]

I used to work for an old regional and now work for a pt 91 corp department and we are redoing outdated cessna checklists. This might seem petty, but myself and the other guy organizing this have a disareement on the verbage for the flight control check. I am wondering what your airline checklist says for different aircraft type (ie.. Flight Controls............Checked, or Flight Controls.........Free and Correct, etc) Like I said this is petty but we are trying to get standardizied and need outside input. In all you do the same thing but say different words. I think CORRECT flows better with other items in the checklist and also that there is no way to really verify that the controls are CORECT so why say it. Any educated feedback is welcome. Please include your airline and AC type. Thanks

 

[flyf15]

At my airline, all checklist items that are tests are "complete", all systems are "checked", and all individual items are responded with their appropriate status.

TEST - COMPLETE
SYSTEM - CHECKED
ITEM - ON / ENGAGED / SET / etc

This makes life a lot easier, you know exactly what you're trying to do and you know the response based on what type of challenge it is. It works well.

In your case, it would be FLIGHT CONTROLS - CHECKED. In my view of things, "Checked" encompasses "Free and correct". Or, if you were to have a standardized test you do for the flight controls laid out (ie: they will be checked doing this and this looking for this and this before the test passes), you could do FLIGHT CONTROL TEST - COMPLETE.

 

[DrewBlows]

Comair/ CRJ. The Captain checks the rudders while the FO determines full deflection on the systems page; it's not a checklist item but the FO says "full right deflection" and "full left deflection" as necessary. The FO reads the checklist and says "Flight Controls", the Captain says "Checked Left" then the FO says "Checked Right". The checklist is read while taxiing, but I'd rather see it done at the gate or after push-back.

 

[Soverytired]

All I know about checklists is that you can't have enough of them.

At Mesa, my favorite was always this:
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18,000 Foot Checklist

CA: "2992 set left and center"
FO: "2992 set right"

Pilot, Non-flying: "18000 Foot Checklist complete"

(and yes, this was done on the way up, and on the way down)

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• I suggested a "Pilot fasten seat belt" checklist in ground school, but that would be just silly

• I also came up with a sex checklist with a chick pilot . . that was fun, but sadly she was married so I never got to actually test it out and tweak it. . . you know, for effectiveness

 

[35khighpjc]

• I also came up with a sex checklist with a chick pilot . . that was fun, but sadly she was married so I never got to actually test it out and tweak it. . . you know, for effectiveness

Why does the sound when someone loses on The Price is Right float in my head while he says this? :smash:

-Paul

 

[Tarzan]

18,000 Foot Checklist

CA: "2992 set left and center"
FO: "2992 set right"

Pilot, Non-flying: "18000 Foot Checklist complete"

Sorry man but I gotta go there......

It is not 18000 feet, it is FL 180.

 

[Soverytired]

Sorry man but I gotta go there......

It is not 18000 feet, it is FL 180.

Oh, I know.

Just another reason for why this was an incredibly lame checklist.

 

[svcta]

I made the jump to corporate a little over a year ago and the best advice that I can offer you is this: Choose your battles. You're the "airline guy" gone corporate and by now I'm sure you know what that means. Things run differently in the 91 world and whether or not we like it, they're just not the sticklers for checklists that we used to be. It's certainly gotten better over time but it will never be the same as 121 for reasons good and bad.

The checklists I use now flow very poorly, but it's mainly a function of the way the airplane is laid out. It was not designed to 'flow' at all, therefore the checklists do not. After a year I'm just used to it now.

I will say this, though: There is absolutely such a thing as too many checklists. We've got a landing check that has probably 15 items on it. That's ridiculous to be trying to do that many items below 10,000' much less during the approach phase. A checklist should be a way to insure that you've done the things you know you've already done. Not a step by step set of instructions.

 

[Captain X]

Sorry man but I gotta go there......

It is not 18000 feet, it is FL 180.

Sorry man but I gotta go there......

It depends on whether you are climbing or descending.

 

[Tarzan]

Sorry man but I gotta go there......

It depends on whether you are climbing or descending.

If you are told to descend to 180. What do set your altimeter to? 2992
I believe that makes it a Flight Level.

 

[00Dog]

If you are told to descend to 180. What do set your altimeter to? 2992
I believe that makes it a Flight Level.

Yesss. (You cannot type fewer than 5 characters. WTF?)

 

[matthewjohn]

Thanks for the input, but half of these do not have anything to do with my question. I would appreciate some appropriate feed back. Thanks guys.

 

[AiRegency]

Checked