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Need the 411 on Pinnacle.

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Can some of the Pinnacle pilots give me some needed info?

What's happening with contract talks?

How bad is it there really?

Are they hiring Captains off the street?

Anything else would be greatly appreciated. I have lots of jet time but need PIC time for UPS and others. So Pinnacle sounds like a good choice for that.
 
Can some of the Pinnacle pilots give me some needed info?

What's happening with contract talks?

How bad is it there really?

Are they hiring Captains off the street?

Anything else would be greatly appreciated. I have lots of jet time but need PIC time for UPS and others. So Pinnacle sounds like a good choice for that.

No progress on the contract recently that I know of. They're talking about pay, time off, health insurance, 401k, etc... so that will take forever I'm sure. When the -900's come on the property the payrates will not be the same as the -200's. I think those rates will go to arbitration.

Some folks love it here, some folks hate it. It's a good opportunity for some and it's not for others. It just depends on what you want and where you want to live. Memphis, Detroit, and Minneapolis are the only domiciles right now. A new domicile will open up December 1 with the -900s.

Captains are not being hired off the street; however, you can currently go to captain upgrade training right out of FO training if you hold the time requirements. I don't know of another regional with a 0-1 month upgrade time.

Good luck

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I enjoyed my time there very much, good people. I was living at base MSP so it wasn't too bad really because I wasn't commuting. The place has it's problems like all others I'm sure but if you want a place to gain experience and move on don't look at it as a place for long term but a place that will get you to where you want to go faster and Pinnacle is as good a place as any for that.
Shortly after I got hired there in 03/2001 I was in the pool for a legacy and after 9/11/01 evidently I ended up staying for six years. Looking back at it I think of it as a good time and have friendships that will endure from working at PCL.
Not telling you to go there, just giving you a different perspective since it seems that FI is a PCL haters club some times. Like someone else said, some folks hate it, some loved it. I'm one that actually liked working there.

Good luck
 
GROVE

Don't you need something like 1000 or 1500 in a Pinnacle CRJ to upgrade there? How are people getting the upgrade right out of newhire class?
 
I enjoyed my time there very much, good people. I was living at base MSP so it wasn't too bad really because I wasn't commuting. The place has it's problems like all others I'm sure but if you want a place to gain experience and move on don't look at it as a place for long term but a place that will get you to where you want to go faster and Pinnacle is as good a place as any for that.
Shortly after I got hired there in 03/2001 I was in the pool for a legacy and after 9/11/01 evidently I ended up staying for six years. Looking back at it I think of it as a good time and have friendships that will endure from working at PCL.
Not telling you to go there, just giving you a different perspective since it seems that FI is a PCL haters club some times. Like someone else said, some folks hate it, some loved it. I'm one that actually liked working there.

Good luck
I got to 9E two months after DumbPilot. Pretty much what he said. Also lived in base and enjoyed flying there. Quick upgrades but just remember if you are a CA on reserve, you will hate life and may end up swinging from a shower rod.
 
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GROVE

Don't you need something like 1000 or 1500 in a Pinnacle CRJ to upgrade there? How are people getting the upgrade right out of newhire class?

There are two different ways you can meet the flight experience requirement for upgrading to captain.

1. 3500 total time with 500 turbine

or

2. 2500 total time with 1000 company

Folks meeting #1 are having the opportunity to upgrade right out of First Officer training. They'll be on reserve forever, but you can't always have your cake and eat it too. :)

g
 
Anyone have any speculation on bases for the 900?

I would assume captain slots would go fairly senior for the first few and reserve slots would go junior since the only real way to be on reserve there is live in base any thoughts?

Had an interview but turned it down. I cant move to base and meet upgrade mins but cant commute to that lifestyle. Would try it if the reserve policy would change but is sounds like that will not improve anytime soon.
 
Yeah same here got an invite to interview on June 28, but in the email they told me that it was about 6-12 months to upgrade. I have #1 form previous post well covered infact I almost have 2500 total turbine and 2200 of it 121. It would be nice if I could get a straight answer out of someone. Also what is the junior base and how difficult would commuting on RSV there be. I am stuck in DFW for the next 6 months at least.
 
I had the same experience as both Dumb Pilot and Rook- interviewed in Sept 2003 and was in class in Nov. All in all it was a great experience, and I enjoyed my time there. It was a pleasure getting to fly with so many fantastic pilots.
 
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Yeah same here got an invite to interview on June 28, but in the email they told me that it was about 6-12 months to upgrade. I have #1 form previous post well covered infact I almost have 2500 total turbine and 2200 of it 121. It would be nice if I could get a straight answer out of someone. Also what is the junior base and how difficult would commuting on RSV there be. I am stuck in DFW for the next 6 months at least.

Romp,

They can't predict what the upgrade time will be for future classes so they give people conservitive estimates. I can tell you right now a friend that just passed his FO checkride will be going to Captain upgrade the first week in August.

DTW tends to be the most junior base, but right now all three bases have plenty of vacancies. Most people get their first choice or if not they get it soon.

The big rumor (and I stress rumor) around Pinnacle is that the -900s will be west coast based. I'll leave it to your imagination to figure out which airport. Interestingly enough though the recruiters have been trying to find ways to attract pilots living in the west. Incentives and bonuses can't make up for a better contract, but it's all they have to work with for now.

g
 
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I'm from MSP area and I enjoy working for 9E, for the most part. The only problem for me is Crew Scheduling, they can be a bunch of little Nazi's. However, I think most people that live in base dont mind working here, and most commuters hate it. Also if we get a new contract in the next decade, things will get better.

Good luck and remember all regionals suck!!!
 
The 411 is DON'T COME HERE!!! If you want to live in our glorious bases of Detroit, Memphis, or Minneapolis aka: Mo-town, No-town, or Snowtown, then have at it!! Otherwise you can kiss your life goodbye. I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to live in two of the most dangerous cities in the US for homicides and violent crime. If you don't want to risk it all by living in base, then get ready to hate this place....big time. The schedules are horrendous. Unless you are in the top 5 in base, then don't plan on making it home till the next day. NOTHING is commutable. Our management (if you can call it that) are the biggest bunch of retards you could ever put in one room. EX: CEO Phil Trenary likes to talk about his "weekly message" which is updated maybe once a month. In fact, when the message is actually updated, it frequently contains so many grammatical, spelling and run-on-sentence errors, you would think a first grader wrote it. People are leaving this place in droves...and there are more reasons for that than I could ever post on here. Don't walk.....RUN from this place!!!! Except for your fellow pilots.....there is not one good thing about this place. There won't be a new contract here before the pilots close this place down and it re-opens as a wholly-owned part of Mesa Airlines.
 
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Otherwise you can kiss your life goodbye. I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to live in two of the most dangerous cities in the US for homicides and violent crime.

Bro take a deep breath and relax. I'm pretty sure that most of the guys that live in base (DTW) live west of the airport. It's not like Romulus, Novi, Livonia, and Belleville are comparable to 8mile.
 
The 411 is DON'T COME HERE!!! If you want to live in our glorious bases of Detroit, Memphis, or Minneapolis aka: Mo-town, No-town, or Snowtown, then have at it!! Otherwise you can kiss your life goodbye. I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to live in two of the most dangerous cities in the US for homicides and violent crime. If you don't want to risk it all by living in base, then get ready to hate this place....big time. The schedules are horrendous. Unless you are in the top 5 in base, then don't plan on making it home till the next day. NOTHING is commutable. Our management (if you can call it that) are the biggest bunch of retards you could ever put in one room. EX: CEO Phil Trenary likes to talk about his "weekly message" which is updated maybe once a month. In fact, when the message is actually updated, it frequently contains so many grammatical, spelling and run-on-sentence errors, you would think a first grader wrote it. People are leaving this place in droves...and there are more reasons for that than I could ever post on here. Don't walk.....RUN from this place!!!! Except for your fellow pilots.....there is not one good thing about this place. There won't be a new contract here before the pilots close this place down and it re-opens as a wholly-owned part of Mesa Airlines.


I am based in DTW and dont live there...I commute and am able to commute on the same day every day...never have to use a hotel unless I am doing highspeeds which is rare and I am not in the top 5
 
Thanks for all the input, good and bad. Can someone tell my how the reserve policy works at Pinnacle? also give me an example on what a typical reserve schedule is like.
 
Thanks for all the input, good and bad. Can someone tell my how the reserve policy works at Pinnacle? also give me an example on what a typical reserve schedule is like.

Reserve schedule is 5 on 3 off, 5 on 2 off. Senority goes quick, so you can probably hold a couple or three weekends off after the class behind you goes online. Callout is 1 1/2 hours. Home reserve times are usually like 5 A.M. to 5 P.M. or 8 A.M. to 8 P.M. You can be extended into your day off twice a month and up to nine times a year. You can refuse an extension once a month. Since the reserve LOA went into place 2 winters ago, I never had a problem getting a comp day the following month, you put the form in, and you get one of the 2 days you select. Extensions aren't that bad unless you made plans on your last night of a 5 day block. You are usually released between 8-9 the next morning.

There is a first call/last call system, which they kind of honor. My old roommate and I compared for a few months, and with him being on first call, he typically flew 10-15 hours more a month than I did on last call.

It is also very helpful to self-notify. I sat an entire month of reserve once without talking to a scheduler. I would look at crewtrac, self notify and go fly the trips they assigned. If you don't like what is on your calendar, make them call you and assign it to you, they might get nervous and give it to someone else. Then again, they might not.

I will tell you the two BIGGEST secrets to happily sitting reserve at Pinnacle, and avoiding JM's and extensions once you become a line holder. Number one and most importantly: Don't Pi$$ off crew scheduling. If you get mouthy with them, argue with them, curse at them or do anything but be polite and take what they give you, you will get a little smiley face drawn by your name on the call list. Do it to two or three of them and you will make the master smiley face list. If you get on that list, God help you. There isn't much in our contract to protect you from a vengeful scheduler, and they can do some stuff to you like you wouldn't believe. The best advice I can give is to always keep in the back of your mind that no matter how low paid you are, and how crappy reserve can be from time to time, it could be worse, you could be a crew scheduler. The pay is crap, the job is difficult, and getting your butt chewed by pilots and FA's day in and day out could pi$$ off the Pope. Be polite, help them out as much as you can/want to and respect the difficult job they are trying to do, and 90% of them will probably return the favor.

Secret number two: If you aren't sitting reserve right now, don't answer the phone, ever, no exceptions. They know who the suckers are, and that is who they call first. If you don't know who is calling you or it says Private number, don't answer it. If you are in your hotel room on rest, don't answer the phone in the room, nobody but crew scheduling knows you are there, it is them, not some cutie that saw you in the hallway and is calling to see if she can come over for a romp. If you get a wake up call, don't say hello to the machine, just pick the headset up and put it back down, it might not be your wake up call after all. If you are on a trip, you don't have to talk to them till the trip is done, if they really really want to talk to you, they will ACARS you. You can't get junior manned if you don't answer the phone and if you are a sap and do it a couple of times you just made the unoffical first call junior man list.

That's about it.
 

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