Leaving B6

[RJidiot]

I'm not too sure how the 5 year contract works at Jetblue. If my dream job is offered long before then, are there any ramifications to worry about?

 

[da90drivr]

That is a question you should save for the interview.
Why not just stay where you are until you dream job appears?

 

[dudemize]

I'm not too sure how the 5 year contract works at Jetblue. If my dream job is offered long before then, are there any ramifications to worry about?

You can leave whenever you want. The only thing in the contract is a non compete clause with a previous carrier. It says you can't go back to a previous employer for 2 years, mostly applies to the furloughees.

Other than that, you're free to depart anytime.

 

[Smoking Man]

I'm not too sure how the 5 year contract works at Jetblue. If my dream job is offered long before then, are there any ramifications to worry about?

Wonderful,

Place middle finger here.

 

[Longhorn]

Smoking man.....Great!!!

How are ya man..

 

[B6Driver]

I'm not too sure how the 5 year contract works at Jetblue. If my dream job is offered long before then, are there any ramifications to worry about?

You have no class!
Please don't apply...............

 

[Longhorn]

Well, his name says it all!!

 

[johnsonrod]

Red flag alert. If JetBlue is such a great airline, why have a non-compete clause at all? People shouldn't be leaving such a great airline - right? I understand recouping training costs, but a non-compete clause? This isn't consulting... Is that common at other airlines? I just don't know.

That is lame to fence someone in if they really want to leave and return to a former airline. Do you want them to stay and be negative?

 

[Longhorn]

A non-compete clause is not all that uncommon in most non-aviation companies. You will also see them in aviation companies when you are dealing with upper management. They are usually set up the same way. You cant go back to your previous company for a time of 2 years. It DOES NOT say you cant go to another airline, you just cant go back to the same company in which you came from. This started in the financial world when a person would leave company A, to work for company B, which happened to be a competitor. After spending 6 months to a year at company B, the person would go back to company A with all the knowledge and insight from company B. It was set up so that companies would not send spies over to learn of the internal workings of their competitor's. Most, of not all fortune 500 companies have a 5-10 year non compete clause. The same principle applies here, its just in 2 year format. The by-product of it was that if you were furloughed, you had to wait until the end of 2 years to accept a recall. That has not applied to anyone here that I know of

 

[johnsonrod]

A non-compete clause is not all that uncommon in most non-aviation companies. You will also see them in aviation companies when you are dealing with upper management. They are usually set up the same way. You cant go back to your previous company for a time of 2 years. It DOES NOT say you cant go to another airline, you just cant go back to the same company in which you came from. This started in the financial world when a person would leave company A, to work for company B, which happened to be a competitor. After spending 6 months to a year at company B, the person would go back to company A with all the knowledge and insight from company B. It was set up so that companies would not send spies over to learn of the internal workings of their competitor's. Most, of not all fortune 500 companies have a 5-10 year non compete clause. The same principle applies here, its just in 2 year format. The by-product of it was that if you were furloughed, you had to wait until the end of 2 years to accept a recall. That has not applied to anyone here that I know of

I appreciate your point, but an airline is not a financial services company or any other type of company that usually requires one. Typical line pilots don't have access to sensitive strategic or financial information for the most part - unlike executives at a financial services company. If you did have access to that sensitive information then a non-compete might be warranted. I just think that it speaks to some insecurity on the part of JetBlue to rope in its pilots who may want to return to their former jobs if they end up not liking JetBlue (or any other airline) for whatever reason. Recouping training cost within a certain time period (2 years) is common in several types of aviation jobs - you see it in 135 and 91 flying all the time. I have just never seen a non-compete at an airline before until now...

Just curious - do any other major airlines require non-competes?

 

[Longhorn]

I dont know. The non compete clause has been here since day 1. There is a simple solution to it though. If you dont like it, dont apply. Wait it out for CAL, SWA, FedEx etc. I am not saying that to be rude, I promise you that. But if its an issue you have a problem with, just dont apply. I honestly dont know of anyone here that has an issue with it or thinks twice about it.

 

[johnsonrod]

I dont know. The non compete clause has been here since day 1. There is a simple solution to it though. If you dont like it, dont apply. Wait it out for CAL, SWA, FedEx etc. I am not saying that to be rude, I promise you that. But if its an issue you have a problem with, just dont apply. I honestly dont know of anyone here that has an issue with it or thinks twice about it.

I just think it is surprising because we all know that the airline business is very transitory - people come and go everyday. It may have been there since day one but I just wish I could understand the thinking behind it because it is very atypical.

You would think Jetblue would be more confident in retaining its pilots so that a non-compete wouldn't be an issue. Go figure. See what happens when you get lawyers involved in building an airline...

 

[NewmanF16]

I believe most other airlines make you resign your previous job before they will train you, so the non-compete clause is actually better for furloughees.

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Just like some airlines make you sign a training contract. Plus, most came to B6 from RJ's and who wants to go back to them.

 

[Guam360]

No problem, I was at JB for 18 months, just resigned to go to Kalitta Air!!

I had no issues with JB or did they with me.

good luck on your decision.

 

[GogglesPisano]

No problem, I was at JB for 18 months, just resigned to go to Kalitta Air!!
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Are you serious? I'm curious about your reasoning here. No flame, just curious.

 

[Guam360]

Are you serious? I'm curious about your reasoning here. No flame, just curious.

maybe the thought of flying up and down the east coast for the next 20+ years. I almost puked in my mouth thinking about it. An occasional coast to coast, once in a while to SJU or the DR. that's it.......oh maybe another two to upgrade and the at least 18 months on reserve or more by then, OR upgrade at Kalitta in two years and no reserve, and get to layover in Amsterdam and HK and HNL and Guam! and etc....!!

 

[johnsonrod]

No problem, I was at JB for 18 months, just resigned to go to Kalitta Air!!

I had no issues with JB or did they with me.

good luck on your decision.

I guess they wouldn't have problems unless you had come from Kalitta Air originally (non-compete would kick in). Have fun on the 747!

 

[GogglesPisano]

maybe the thought of flying up and down the east coast for the next 20+ years. I almost puked in my mouth thinking about it. An occasional coast to coast, once in a while to SJU or the DR. that's it.......oh maybe another two to upgrade and the at least 18 months on reserve or more by then, OR upgrade at Kalitta in two years and no reserve, and get to layover in Amsterdam and HK and HNL and Guam! and etc....!!

Understood. I fly for a supplemental now, but not for much longer. Those exotic destinations are fun for a while, but the 18 day trips get old fast when you have a wife and kids.

Good luck.

 

[Roger Murdoch]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think anyone brought up the point that B6 doesn't force a furloughed pilot to resign their seniority number when they come to B6. I don't know of too many airlines that do that.

 

[Headfake14]

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[FreightGod]

No problem, I was at JB for 18 months, just resigned to go to Kalitta Air!!

You will be kicking your own arse in a year or two...

 

[johnsonrod]

You will be kicking your own arse in a year or two...

To each his own. Maybe he wants to see the world and fly the whale... Maybe he doesn't have familial commitments like other pilots and he can do that type of travel. Maybe he didn't care for JetBlue - you never know...

 

[FreightGod]

To each his own. Maybe he wants to see the world and fly the whale... Maybe he doesn't have familial commitments like other pilots and he can do that type of travel. Maybe he didn't care for JetBlue - you never know...

Yeah true enough.

It's just that my first job on jets 20 years ago was flying the whale and seeing the world. It was cool, plenty of parties and girls and fancy hotels, but also jet-lag, violent vomit and diarhea (India) old and tired airplanes, low pay, long hours, etc....

A small plane and a good company is just as good if ya value off-days and clean flying.
Since then I have been with majors and scum-bags, back and forth.
Tired of the problems, would rather stay with a reasonable good gig like JetBlue, especially with 18 months of the property.

To each his own however..Some guys thrive over at Connie, some hate it.

 

[savin47]

I believe he just cut off his nose to spite his face, right in front of everyone.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Yeah true enough.

It's just that my first job on jets 20 years ago was flying the whale and seeing the world. It was cool, plenty of parties and girls and fancy hotels, but also jet-lag, violent vomit and diarhea (India) old and tired airplanes, low pay, long hours, etc....

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Flying for a non-sched hasn't changed much in 20 years. It's amazing how old it can get so fast.

 

[FreightGod]

Flying for a non-sched hasn't changed much in 20 years. It's amazing how old it can get so fast.
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Yeah, it can get old fast. On the other hand, some guys really thrive on it.


When I started there was no Atlas or Polar, or Connie with 747s..(DC-8s, yes) Non-sched was Electras for the casinos and DC-9s for the Postal Service.

The non-sched has always been good...OR bad for the wild guys.
As I get older, I am less wild.

Being a single guy, non sched is great.

 

[Draginass]

It depends on the non-sked. There's a range of quality that runs from "scum-bag 747 freight outfit" (calling them a "company" would be too generous), with bad maintenance, bad scheduling, bad management, bad dispatch, etc etc, to some that actually have work rules, a contract, and actually maintain their aircraft.

Unless you like 24 hour duty days, pencil-whipped maintenance, crappy flight support, and management that will smile in your face and put the knife in your back, you'd better do your homework before you accept a job with one of these dirtbag outfits.

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Hey, hes senior to me so, enjoy your new career!

 

[flyin4jsus]

With you signing the 5 yr contract. Is it anything dealing with, like say they get in a really hardship. They have 20yr pilots and need to cut costs and your contract comes up can they just get rid of you?