Netjets FRDA's

[NJACrewservicer]

Just wanted to get your opinions on this subject. Do you think FRDA's are working? Is there anything we can do differently? Have you ever been denied hotel release WITHOUT just cause. I believe the intent of the language was for the company to have a 2 hour window to come up with something else for the crew. Do you feel the company is doing a good job at this? This is a serious question and I am not here to flame anyone. Just trying to get some info from the pilot group.

Thanks

 

[Fozzy]

I think you should have your people speak to our MEC president at the IBB.
Fix it that way. I am not willing to give up any nuggets that may benefit us now.

I don't mean to be harsh, but this is business.


But don't worry, someone will come along and give you the info you are looking for. There are always the :uzi: a##moles.

 

[NJACrewservicer]

Understandable....thanks.

 

[Diesel]

I believe the intent of the language was for the company to have a 2 hour window to come up with something else for the crew.

I'm not going to comment on the nuts and bolts of frda. FRDA was created to prevent crew rot and fbo appreciation time with no plan other than to sit there with no way/plan of utilizing the crew.

Just a persepctive.

 

[NJACrewservicer]

I'm not going to comment on the nuts and bolts of frda. FRDA was created to prevent crew rot and fbo appreciation time with no plan other than to sit there with no way/plan of utilizing the crew.

Just a persepctive.

Agreed...but, I was speaking of the 2 hour FRDA after the aircraft has a mechanical. The way it was designed gives the company 2 hours to come up with another plan before going to hotel.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The intent of FRDA is clear; Crew Rot prevention.

As far as how well it IS or IS NOT working...

I let FRDA work for me or I make FRDA work for me ($$). It's that simple.

I bet IBT1108 will have additional info for you in the form of grievances.

Other than that, I hesitate to provide any information for fear that it will be used against this pilot group in current/future negotiations and or program implementation.

Nothing personal... just business.

 

[gutshotdraw]

For those of us not (yet?) in the Brotherhood, what does the FRDA acronym stand for? I gather it is a policy revolving around FBO standby versus hotel standby?

 

[Diesel]

Flight Ready Duty Assignment.

Simple answer is the company has to have something for you to Actually DO,, equipment to DO it in, or a plan to DO something (within a time frame) or they have to send you to the hotel or pay OT.

 

[gunfyter]

For those of us not (yet?) in the Brotherhood, ?

You have a good sense of humor...

We have a very good career here. There are a few things that have been a lttle annoying. I think hanging around in FBOs for no reason was top of the list.

7 Days in a row for 12 hrs a day in a tie ( I hate wearing ties)... nice to take your shoes off and relax a little when there is a chance.

 

[CRJFlyer]

I assume the OT kicks in after 2 hrs at the FBO? What is the overtime pay after that? Is it per hour or a set rate?

I've heard that you can expect about 10% more $$$ for a yearly gross with the overtime etc. Is that a good estimate?

Also (for the reserve schedule ) what is a good range for per diem a month..I'm hearing about 6K a year or $500 a month.. Is that also a good estimate?

I'm in the interview pool and trying to get a good idea about how much I can expect to bring home a month for the first 4-5 years on FO pay.

Thanks

 

[IDEtoNJA]

I assume the OT kicks in after 2 hrs at the FBO? What is the overtime pay after that? Is it per hour or a set rate?

I've heard that you can expect about 10% more $$$ for a yearly gross with the overtime etc. Is that a good estimate?

Also (for the reserve schedule ) what is a good range for per diem a month..I'm hearing about 6K a year or $500 a month.. Is that also a good estimate?

I'm in the interview pool and trying to get a good idea about how much I can expect to bring home a month for the first 4-5 years on FO pay.

Thanks

CRJFlyer,

There are a number of provisions that trigger OT payement. The OT rate is a function of your base yearly rate -- e.g. for 1st year FO's it is just under $27 per duty hour.

There are a number of provisions that might increase your income above and beyond your base pay -- i.e. holiday pay, extended days, etc. I am not sure what the average pilot makes above and beyond the base pay without voluntary working extra days.

The domestic per diem rate is $1.70 per hour. So depending on the time you start on your first day and the time you end on your last it can range between $207 (Start 2359 Day 1/End 0001 Day 7 -- unrealistic) - $285 (Start 0001 Day 1/End 2359 Day 7 -- unrealistic as well) per 7 day tour.

 

[Twotter76]

I assume the OT kicks in after 2 hrs at the FBO? What is the overtime pay after that? Is it per hour or a set rate?

I've heard that you can expect about 10% more $$$ for a yearly gross with the overtime etc. Is that a good estimate?

Also (for the reserve schedule ) what is a good range for per diem a month..I'm hearing about 6K a year or $500 a month.. Is that also a good estimate?


Thanks

Overtime pay depends on your schedule and years of service. For example a 1st year FO on the 7n7 would make about $27/hour whereas a reserve FO would make roughly $30/hour.

10-15% is a good estimate unless you are on the XL/XLS in which case you would make an additional $225 a month in differences pay.

My per diem seems to average right around $600 a month or about $7200 a year. On the 7/7 I hear its around $500.

 

[gutshotdraw]

7 Days in a row for 12 hrs a day in a tie ( I hate wearing ties)... nice to take your shoes off and relax a little when there is a chance.

At least there aren't any bloody hats! :smash:

I was running for King of NJI on the no ties, leather jackets ticket. Needless to say, nobody's calling me "Your Majesty."

Thanks for the info, Diesel.

 

[gunfyter]

At least there aren't any bloody hats! :smash:

I was running for King of NJI on the no ties, leather jackets ticket. Needless to say, nobody's calling me "Your Majesty.".

I could have been your running mate for court jester.

 

[fischman]

Just wanted to get your opinions on this subject. Do you think FRDA's are working? Is there anything we can do differently? Have you ever been denied hotel release WITHOUT just cause. I believe the intent of the language was for the company to have a 2 hour window to come up with something else for the crew. Do you feel the company is doing a good job at this? This is a serious question and I am not here to flame anyone. Just trying to get some info from the pilot group.

Thanks

You supposedly work in Crew Services and you don't understand how FRDA works?

You have got to tell me which fleet you work in so I know what to bid for. $$$$$

No offense, but your post there does not imply a person from NJA Crew Services. That post screams management trying to get their feelers out.

www.ibt1108.org for those questions man.

Business is business.

 

[NJACrewservicer]

You supposedly work in Crew Services and you don't understand how FRDA works?

You have got to tell me which fleet you work in so I know what to bid for. $$$$$

No offense, but your post there does not imply a person from NJA Crew Services. That post screams management trying to get their feelers out.

www.ibt1108.org for those questions man.

Business is business.

I should have known better than to ask this question here. My apologies if I have offended anyone.

 

[NJACrewservicer]

Removed

 

[DO-82 driver]

Why???? because of one causic remark. Your question is a valid one and should be posed to the proper Union official so you can get accurate and meaningful data.

Let the Yahoo's on this site spout off.......If you are serious about your question call a Union Steward for further guidance. You have nothing to fear.

 

[acaTerry]

NJACrewservicer

Check your PMs

 

[Guitar Guy]

At least there aren't any bloody hats! :smash:

That was the #1 reason I left the 121 world for NJA. :beer: