Rumor Check - SkyWest service by Comair?

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A wild rumor surfaced. Does anyone know if there are SkyWest painted RJ's with "Operated by Comair" on the nose which were photographed at a maintenance facility? The rumor goes on to ask:

• Could these be aircraft to backfill SkyWest who is more understaffed than Comair? Comair crews are allegedly paid less and SkyWest could wet lease the airplanes, allowing other crews to fly them.
• Could these airplanes be used to allow union carrier Comair to back fill for SkyWest in the event that non union SkyWest was used to fly ASA's struck work?
• Has Comair already been sold to SkyWest?

It has been alleged that there are photographs, taken with a cell phone.

Someone else called this a "UFO sighting." Who knows? Does anyone here know if this is true?

 

[WateryGrave]

Step away from the bong FIN... step away

 

[John Pennekamp]

I saw a Comair 50 the other say with a SW tail number. They've been playing shell games with the airplanes for years. Maybe I'm missing your point.

 

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That is what I'm thinking also. But this report said the airplanes had the SkyWest corporate paint job. ASA has (or had) one of those airplanes.

The question of whether SkyWest could fly "struck work" while Comair back filled for SkyWest is an interesting one.

 

[duck_killer]

We didn't fly struck Comair work, and we wont fly struck ASA work.

 

[MarineGrunt]

That is what I'm thinking also. But this report said the airplanes had the SkyWest corporate paint job. ASA has (or had) one of those airplanes.

The question of whether SkyWest could fly "struck work" while Comair back filled for SkyWest is an interesting one.

SkyWest won't fly stuck work. BH said so. :erm:

 

[indianboy7]

The picture was probably taken when the aircraft was first delivered to the SLC hangar............They probably just hadn't finished re-painting the logos, etc.etc. on it.....

 

[Tarzan]

Step away from the bong FIN... step away

Hey, Iif there are bong swats to be had, better pass it down here!

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

Comair has a bunch of old SkyWest planes still with the old SW N-number. It was part of a swap that took place both because of the strile in 2001 and DAL in BK. I think we got some of their higher lease cost airplanes so Comair could get lower rates in the BK process.

 

[goahead]

Hey, Iif there are bong swats to be had, better pass it down here!

Me next bitches

 

[Tarzan]

Me next bitches

Only if you making pancakes afterwords.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Only if you making pancakes afterwords.

Waffle House. Best cure for the munchies EVER.

 

[SSDD]

Boy you guys see conspiracies everywhere! As JetPilot Mike said. A few years back Skywest took some of Comair's airplanes to help DL in the bankruptcy. They were pretty old and had high leases. Skywest changed to CA tail numbers to SW's. They ranged from 58XSW-59XSW plus 720SW(what a POS this one was). Apparently Comair has not bothered to change the tail numbers back.

 

[Tarzan]

Boy you guys see conspiracies everywhere! As JetPilot Mike said. A few years back Skywest took some of Comair's airplanes to help DL in the bankruptcy. They were pretty old and had high leases. Skywest changed to CA tail numbers to SW's. They ranged from 58XSW-59XSW plus 720SW(what a POS this one was). Apparently Comair has not bothered to change the tail numbers back.

I knew you were part of this conspiracy (cough, cough)!

 

[Bako Cap]

Boy you guys see conspiracies everywhere! As JetPilot Mike said. A few years back Skywest took some of Comair's airplanes to help DL in the bankruptcy. They were pretty old and had high leases. Skywest changed to CA tail numbers to SW's. They ranged from 58XSW-59XSW plus 720SW(what a POS this one was). Apparently Comair has not bothered to change the tail numbers back.

Close. The 10 aircraft in question are RJs that SkyWest obtained leases on after the Comair Strike not Delta BK. They went back to the lessor before the strike and used to threaten the Comair pilot with possible leases to Skywest. The short 4-5 year leases to Skywest came true after the strike was over. At the end of the short lease, they went back to Comair. One of many strike threats by Comair/Delta managment. The N numbers were changed to SW to pacify the SkyWest pilots.

 

[Morning Wood]

Boy you guys see conspiracies everywhere! As JetPilot Mike said. A few years back Skywest took some of Comair's airplanes to help DL in the bankruptcy. They were pretty old and had high leases. Skywest changed to CA tail numbers to SW's. They ranged from 58XSW-59XSW plus 720SW(what a POS this one was). Apparently Comair has not bothered to change the tail numbers back.

There were four with 4XXXSW as well; 493, 496, 497, and 498 (2002 SLC Olympic Paint job). Those were the first four to go away. At the time, 498 was used to carry the Olympic Torch to Alaska and was picked (besides the paint job) because of the dual GPS installed.

 

[deluxxx]

Some of the planes with the corporate schemes were the ex aca BR planes. These have swaped back and forth with ASA.

 

[MELIT]

Some of the planes with the corporate schemes were the ex aca BR planes. These have swaped back and forth with ASA.

No such thing as a corporate paint job.

 

[WateryGrave]

Some of the planes with the corporate schemes were the ex aca BR planes. These have swaped back and forth with ASA.

Deluxxx, quit drinking the bong water!

 

[deluxxx]

Corporate scheme= Delta fuselage colors with Skywest swoosh on the tail. Anniversary planes, BR planes, etc.

 

[WateryGrave]

Corporate scheme= Delta fuselage colors with Skywest swoosh on the tail. Anniversary planes, BR planes, etc.

Aren't you on the B scale with those other EMB guys? I didn't think they let you near the jets?

 

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The question of whether SkyWest could fly "struck work" while Comair back filled for SkyWest is an interesting one.

There are 2 interesting questions here: 1. COULD Skywest fly struck Comair/ASA work? 2. WOULD we?

I think the answer is "No!" to both questions.

FIN: Except for your occasional conspiratorial notions, you seem to be a pretty level-headed guy. What would you say to ASA dumping ALPA, integrating the 2 pilot groups under our present "arrangement", and then creating an in-house union 4,000 strong? I am against ALPA on property here myself, but am on the fence about in-house representation. Just throwing it out there.

 

[Tarzan]

FIN: Except for your occasional conspiratorial notions, you seem to be a pretty level-headed guy. What would you say to ASA dumping ALPA, integrating the 2 pilot groups under our present "arrangement", and then creating an in-house union 4,000 strong? I am against ALPA on property here myself, but am on the fence about in-house representation. Just throwing it out there.

There has been talk of decertifing ALPA to get one list.

 

[Crash Pad]

HA HA Fins you said fly struck work. I think we all know that struck work is not an issue.

 

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There are 2 interesting questions here: 1. COULD Skywest fly struck Comair/ASA work? 2. WOULD we?

I think the answer is "No!" to both questions.

FIN: Except for your occasional conspiratorial notions, you seem to be a pretty level-headed guy. What would you say to ASA dumping ALPA, integrating the 2 pilot groups under our present "arrangement", and then creating an in-house union 4,000 strong? I am against ALPA on property here myself, but am on the fence about in-house representation. Just throwing it out there.

A good idea in concept. The problem is that management apparently sees more value in whipsawing one pilot group against the other than working together to make our operation more efficient.

If SkyWest management had merged ASA and SkyWest and made the same pay offer to both sides ALPA likely would have lost the representational vote of the combined pilot group.

Instead SkyWest demanded concessions (while turning in record profits) and threatened the pilots with the loss of their flying (a threat that was kept).

Pilots are people who will invest in their future. If SkyWest offered opportunity, the ASA pilots would have eagerly accepted.

In contrast, if pilots are threatened, they will organize to defend themselves. SkyWest's actions to transfer aircraft was making the situation worse.

Under the current circumstance, ALPA is not going anywhere. The ASA pilots feel that they need the union because they feel threatened by SkyWest management. Further, many of us (me included) hope that eventually ALPA will facilitate a stabilizing merger since management has not merged the Companies.

 

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HA HA Fins you said fly struck work. I think we all know that struck work is not an issue.

That is kinda dumb. No, that is really stupid. Where are you (and others) coming up with this "struck work" stuff?

Nobody flew any Comair "struck work." I've never even heard such an allegation until recently from SkyWest guys. Where is this coming from? Source?

 

[JoeMerchant]

That is kinda dumb. No, that is really stupid. Where are you (and others) coming up with this "struck work" stuff?

Nobody flew any Comair "struck work." I've never even heard such an allegation until recently from SkyWest guys. Where is this coming from? Source?

Fins,

I believe he is referring to the fact their won't be a strike because we aren't going to be released... thus no stuck work to cross..... I tend to agree with him...

With regards to the CMR strike, it is technically correct that nobody flew CMR struck work. HOWEVER their passengers were reaccomodated on DAL, ASA, Skywest, and ACA thru different hubs and some of their aircraft were transferred to ASA and Skywest. I have no doubt we flew CMR passengers in CMR aircraft during the strike..... That was the beginning of the end of the battle......

 

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Fins,

I have no doubt we flew CMR passengers in CMR aircraft during the strike.....

Joe, that is not an accurate characterization. This is how lies like the "ASA pilots demanded DOH" get started. Please refrain.

We agree on the release. Management will move just enough to indicate that the parties are not deadlocked. 1% in six months is less than inflation, Very safe move and it effectively keeps us parked.

 

[Peter Sashell]

I think Skywest is taking a few Comair 50's and putting them in the Midwest system. This was reported by the head of Maint.

 

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In other news, allegedly AirTran's new scope section allows 70 seat RJ's. If that is the case, it changes the dynamics of the MidWest deal.