Solo on 16th B'day?

[pilotyip]

The student has a white 3rd class medical, but the AME said he could not issue a Student Pilot Certificate because the student was only 15 years old at the time of the application. He told the student he would have to go to the FAA and get a student certificate after he turned 16. How can a student solo on their 16th B’day if the FAA is closed and can not issue a student pilot certificate?

 

[pilotpat]

Maybe a nice DE could do it for him/her... I wouldn't see that as a problem. They've got the ability, but I guess you'd have to make sure he's got the Student Pilot certificates with him. Hope it works out!

 

[sqwkvfr]

DPEs can issue the correct medical. It might need to be done the day of, but one should be able to make this work with a little advanced planing.

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

!? How do you solo a glider at 14 then?

I don't think there's an age limit on a student pilot certificate...

 

[USMCmech]

No medical required for gliders.

 

[Smoothstu]

Student Medical Prior to 16

Actual the AME should have looked up the question and not just assumed he/she could not issue student pilot medical.

Then answer is that the Student Pilot medical certificate is issued with a limitation on it that it is not valid for student pilot privileges until xx/xx/xxxx (or 16th B-Day).

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

You don't need a student pilot certificate/medical on the same sheet of paper. You need a student pilot certificate AND a medical, they can be two separate documents.

So the student has a medical. Now find a DE or FSDO to issue your student a student pilot certificate (a nearby glider port might have someone that can hook you up). And if anyone cares, just say they want to solo in a glider...

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

If a 15-year old wants a student pilot certificate he must lie to the examiner or the FAA and say that he intends to fly a glider. Otherwise if he says he wants to fly an airplane on his 16th birthday the certificate must be issued on that day by the FAA FSDO or most any DPE.

Honesty is always the best policy when dealing with the FAA. It is not appropriate to start a young persons career in this business by being dishonest. Continued dishonesty will one day result in revocation of all certificates.

There is only one way to do things: The right way.

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

Actual the AME should have looked up the question and not just assumed he/she could not issue student pilot medical.

Then answer is that the Student Pilot medical certificate is issued with a limitation on it that it is not valid for student pilot privileges until xx/xx/xxxx (or 16th B-Day).

This is how I was able to solo on my 16th.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

This is how I was able to solo on my 16th.

If this is possible then there must be a provision in the AME's handbook order. Nothing like this "restriction" is in the DPE handbook.

If an AME made such a restriction on a student/medical certificate I would really like to know the reference for the doctor adding such limitations. While the AME limitation mentioned does make sense, the FAA is not required to make sense. The FAA is only requried to make policy. The policy on this is no student certificates to airplane pilots until they are 16-years of age.

 

[Smoothstu]

Stop the Guessing... From the AME Handbook

If the applicant is not yet 16 years old and wishes to solo on or after his or her 16th birthday, the Examiner should issue a white FAA Form 8500-9 (if the applicant is fully qualified medically). On or after his or her 16th birthday, the applicant may obtain a student pilot certificate for the flight from a FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) or designated Flight Examiner upon presentation of the FAA Form 8500-9 (white medical certificate).

An alternative procedure for this situation is for the Examiner to issue the Airman Medical and Student Pilot Certificate, FAA Form 8420-2 (yellow), with the following statement in the limitations block of the student pilot certificate:

NOT VALID UNTIL (MONTH, DAY, AND YEAR OF 16TH BIRTHDAY)

This procedure should not be used if the applicant's 16th birthday will occur more than 30 days from the date of application.

Although nonmedical regulations allow an airman to solo a glider or balloon at age 14, a medical certificate is not required for glider or balloon operations. These airmen are required to certify to the FAA that they have no known physical defects that make them unable to pilot a glider or balloon. This certification is made at the FAA FSDO’s.

 

[Iceman07]

My daughter was issued a Yellow Student Certificate this past November by a local FAA Operations Inspector, with no, repeat no limitations.

Of course, it is absolutly worthless until she turns 16, which, by the way is 5 and 1/2 years from now!

 

[Launchpad]

I soloed my my 16th bday and it was a saturday, I wonder if all my certs are null and void now.

Actually, I could give a rats azz what the FAA thinks... then, or now-

Good luck.

 

[247reserve]

Yeah, I had several students who soloed on their 16th birthday. All of them were issued the correct papers in the way smoothstu described.

 

[GuinessGuy]

LaunchPad....AGREED!!!!!! I hate having to fake it when they're sitting in the jumpseat

 

[knewhigher]

This is how I was able to solo on my 16th.

Same here...

 

[pilotyip]

My Fed would not do the "Not valid" endorsement, but he did say he would come out to the airport on Saturday morning and deliver the certifcate on the students 16th B'day.

 

[minarcia]

My Fed would not do the "Not valid" endorsement, but he did say he would come out to the airport on Saturday morning and deliver the certifcate on the students 16th B'day.

The Fed isn't usually the one who puts the restriction on the certificate, it's the AME at the time of the medical. As someone posted above, the verbage for the restriction is not in the DPE manual, it is in the AME manual.

 

[nosehair]

DPE's do not have all the overall authorities and resposibilities as FSDO Inspectors and AME's. They have specific authorizations with specific limitations. "Designated"

 

[pilotyip]

Well my AME says he can not do it. Is there a para I can refer him to?