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cuculain

cuculain

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Pinnacle Will announce today a ten year contract to fly 16 CRJ900s for Delta. The plan is to recieve the first aircraft in November and begin flying in December.
 
Don't worry folks, ALPA is hard at work for "brand scope".... everything will be OK.... Keep sending those dues in.... DW needs to get his next pension check as we continue to play the "Portfolio Challenge Wheel of Misfortune"......
 
JoeMerchant said:
Don't worry folks, ALPA is hard at work for "brand scope".... everything will be OK.... Keep sending those dues in.... DW needs to get his next pension check as we continue to play the "Portfolio Challenge Wheel of Misfortune"......
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While I agree that ALPA bears a good bit of the blame for the current situation we all find ourselves in, let's not underestimate ASA management's role in all this. LaBreque and his crew have so criminally mismanaged this airline that nobody wants to do business with us. Aside from all the flying we have lost out on with Delta, we also lost out on the CAL RFP and the Frontier bid. I don't believe you can lay failure after failure at the feet of ALPA when it is clear that ASA's reputation in the industry is that of a regional partner that provides substandard service.
 
Notice the press release states the aircraft were awarded to Pinnacle Corp. not Pinnacle Inc. Lets wait and see how long it takes for management to tell us Colgan will be flying these aircraft unless we sign a subpar contract.
 
I think Colgan should get the CRJ 900's and Pinnacle just fly 50 seat RJ's. The pay will be $1.34 more then the current CRJ 200 rate. Imagine that
 
Mr Wu said:
Not to worry. The Colgan Air Pilot Committee will demand an industry leading rate for these jets.
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Now that is funny!

I told all of you this was comming. Alot of people need to eat their words. Its funny, You will get 300 people come on hear and tell you that the rumor is false and it will never happen. But when it is announced you only hear crickets from those same people.
 
jc3 said:
Do they have any idea where they will be flying them out of. ATL, CVG, SLC?
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Well considering that Delta told us to "C the Future" with jet bridges on it now in Atl so they could get any jet into our gates on C, 170's 900's etc...

That is from SH.

ASA sucks... have I mentioned that before?
 
"c the future" and ASA can "c themselves out of it"

The only way we will still be here is if the pilots would sign a competitive contract. We have offered all we can, perhaps too much.

Scott
 
BoilerUP said:
From the press release...
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"Expects" is a very fishy word. I could see them "expect" to give it to Inc, then send them to Colgan and say "We wanted to do it with Inc, but Colgan would do it at cheaper rates. Thats what you get for not agreeing to a substandard contract."
 
flyf15 said:
"Expects" is a very fishy word. I could see them "expect" to give it to Inc, then send them to Colgan and say "We wanted to do it with Inc, but Colgan would do it at cheaper rates. Thats what you get for not agreeing to a substandard contract."
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So what's the bigger carrot - growth airplanes or getting compensated what you deserve?
 
BoilerUP said:
So what's the bigger carrot - growth airplanes or getting compensated what you deserve?
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If I were in their shoes, I'd tell them to take their airplanes and shove them if they weren't going to pay me industry leading rates for them. Heck, growth doesn't even matter at Pinnacle right now, they are so short staffed that even without growth, upgrades and senority come real quickly. All growth will cause is more extensions, juniormannings, and worse schedules. Sure sounds like some nice carrot to me.
 
flyf15 said:
"Expects" is a very fishy word. I could see them "expect" to give it to Inc, then send them to Colgan and say "We wanted to do it with Inc, but Colgan would do it at cheaper rates. Thats what you get for not agreeing to a substandard contract."
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Are you thinking it would be possible for Colgan to quadruple their lift capacity, double their staffing requirements, and create programs for two new aircraft types inside of 15 months? Also consider that this would create four fleet types at Colgan and only the Saab program is of a size where fleet specific overhead doesn't eclipse the operating profits.
 
MEMPHIS, TN, Feb 05, 2007 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX News Network) -- Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (NASDAQ: PNCL) announced today that it has entered into a new capacity purchase agreement with Continental Airlines, Inc. Pinnacle Airlines Corp.'s wholly owned subsidiary, Colgan Air, Inc., will operate fifteen 74-seat Bombardier Q400 regional aircraft as a Continental Connection carrier. The aircraft will operate primarily out of the Continental hub at Newark Liberty International Airport.

MEMPHIS, TN, Apr 30, 2007 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX News Network) -- Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (NASDAQ: PNCL) ("Pinnacle") announced today that it has entered into a new capacity purchase agreement with Delta Air Lines to operate 16 CRJ-900 aircraft as a Delta Connection carrier. Pinnacle currently expects that the aircraft will be operated by its wholly owned regional jet subsidiary, Pinnacle Airlines, Inc



Why the so different news releases?
 
Why the so different news releases?
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The Colgan pilots do not have the ability to hold the Company's feet to the fire on payrates for their new equipment (and the Q400 rates reflect that). This gives the company the ability set financial targets and be confident that they will meet them.

At PCL the company has to negotiate new payscales with the pilots. This uncertainty in being able to meet financial targets does not allow them the ability to make firm commitments up front.
 
Go get 'em!

A very strange announcement indeed. The NWA "CRJs to Mesaba" whipsaw against Pinnacle is seemingly countered by an announcement of new aircraft coming online for Pinnacle? Seems like 9E had the carpet pulled out from under them only to have it replaced with a better, stain-resistant brand! Get yourselves some cash in this new contract boys and girls...
 

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