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Southwest Airlines' fuel hedging pushes profits


DALLAS (AP) - Southwest Airlines Co. said Thursday its first-quarter profit rose by half on record revenues, but income would have fallen by 4 cents per share without gains from derivatives that hedge future fuel costs.
The low-cost carrier said it earned $93 million, or 12 cents per share, compared to $61 million, or 7 cents per share, a year earlier.
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Excluding the derivatives gains, the company said its "economic net income" was $33 million, or 4 cents per share, down from $64 million, or 8 cents per share, a year ago.
The most recent results matched the forecast of analysts surveyed by Thomson Financial.
Revenue rose 8.9 percent, to $2.2 billion from $2.02 billion.
Chief Executive Gary C. Kelly said he was disappointed that the company's adjusted income fell from a year ago, largely because of higher fuel costs.
"Based on the strength of last year's overall revenue growth, we had hoped this year's revenue growth would surmount these cost pressures," Kelly said. Instead, revenue gains were limited by winter storms, a slowing economy and also by travelers who balked at higher ticket prices, he said.
Revenue per miles flown by passengers grew 1.4 percent, which Kelly called "solid, but slower compared to last year's growth rate."
Kelly said Southwest expects revenue per miles flown by passengers in the second quarter to fall from year-ago levels based on the first-quarter trends, April traffic so far, and future bookings.
Jamie Baker, an analyst with J.P. Morgan Securities, said he was "discouraged" by Southwest's comments, which he said raised doubts about the domestic air-travel market.
"Let's not stick our heads in the sand. There is a growing body of evidence that domestic demand is deteriorating, further calling into question the likelihood of 2008 results anywhere near the level implied" by Wall Street's consensus forecasts, Baker wrote in a note to clients.
Baker said Southwest's willingness to forgo fare increases and the falling prospects for airline mergers that would reduce the supply of seats cast further doubt on the industry outlook.
Southwest has long benefited from derivative contracts that locked in lower fuel prices than its competitors, but that advantage is dwindling.
Southwest said it has contracts covering more 95 percent of its expected fuel needs for the second quarter at the equivalent price of $50 per barrel for oil. That's higher than the $36 per barrel price it locked in for most of its fuel in last year's second quarter.
On Wednesday, analyst Roger King of CreditSights wrote that growth prospects and low debt made Southwest a candidate for a leveraged buyout. Kelly said he doubted that such a deal could work.
"I don't think it makes any sense to leverage $9 billion of additional debt on an airline like Southwest Airlines," Kelly said Thursday on CNBC. "It would have to be done in a way that it preserves the special and unique culture that we have at Southwest Airlines, and I doubt that it could."
 
I like the 93 million. RPM's are up........ but the hedges are running out. I give this place 3 years.

Gup
 
Southwest said.
The airline said it expected normal seasonal improvement in its revenue in the second quarter and forecast 8% growth in capacity, or available seat miles, in 2007. It said it was "actively" exploring the secondary aircraft market and intended to lease two additional used Boeing Co. (BA : Boeing Co.
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be careful what you wish for. Heard they were looking at the almighty Piper Lance. I wish I could give you the guys name but sworn to secrecy. He said Lance or Saratoga.

Buy the single type ya may need it. Lucky, cheaper than the 737 type. 100.00 for plane, 50 for instructor Then, yeah, yeah we know you will make gobs more money than the legacies.
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I like the 93 million. RPM's are up........ but the hedges are running out. I give this place 3 years.

Gup

Good one!

I appreciate your humor.

The two items in the report that caught my eye were:

1. "Kelly said Southwest expects revenue per miles flown by passengers in the second quarter to fall from year-ago levels based on the first-quarter trends, April traffic so far, and future bookings."

No discussion of Load Factor or RASM. SWA is very good at adjusting ASM's by city-pair because they serve primarily fly/drive pax (I was at Herb's presentation in '89 when he drew the 150-mile ring around cities on a map and explained the concept). Even though they are less adaptable in gauge (size of a/c in the market), they are more adaptable in frequency. They can make changes on city-pairs with a month's notice, whereas legacy carriers require 3-4 months.

My theory is that the "trend" Kelly refers to is the aggressiveness of the legacy carriers (either directly or through their Airlinks) to counter SWA's marketing in high-revenue markets.

2. "Jamie Baker, an analyst with J.P. Morgan Securities, said he was "discouraged" by Southwest's comments, which he said raised doubts about the domestic air-travel market.
"Let's not stick our heads in the sand. There is a growing body of evidence that domestic demand is deteriorating, further calling into question the likelihood of 2008 results anywhere near the level implied" by Wall Street's consensus forecasts, Baker wrote in a note to clients."


The consensus forecast he cites is for stronger high-revenue RPM's. The niche that SWA serves is only one segment of the total market, and I think he sees more competition there.

SWA will be here for a loooooong time. (Until jetBlue buys them to feed their lucrative JFK flying)
 
SWA RPM is 13.11, RASM 9.28, CASM is 8.93. Clearly this shows SWA biggest disadvantage is the amount of growth it is experiencing. CAL is posting a RASM of 11.14 cents and an RPM of 12.55. I think SWA will probably slow the growth down shortly, otherwise by next quarter, profits will further slide.
 
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SWA RPM is 13.11, RASM 9.28, CASM is 8.93. Clearly this shows SWA biggest disadvantage is the amount of growth it is experiencing. CAL is posting a RASM of 11.14 cents and an RPM of 12.55. I think SWA will probably slow the growth down shortly, otherwise by next quarter, profits will further slide.

The good thing is that we are not competing with CAL. Secondly, I am glad you company is doing well. Lastly, EVERY pilot I know at CAL HATES his job. I think I would rather enjoy what I am doing while enduring some ups and downs instead of not liking a job that I am sentenced to have for the rest of my life. I am glad we are both happy though.:beer:
 
Southwest in play? It's a possibility


[SIZE=-1]08:55 AM CDT on Thursday, April 19, 2007[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]By TERRY MAXON / The Dallas Morning News [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][email protected] [/SIZE]

Southwest Airlines Co. is ripe for a leveraged buyout, with its high profit, unencumbered assets and low debt, one airline industry observer said Wednesday.
Analyst Roger King of CreditSights projected a possible market value of $15 billion, or $19 to $20 a share, for Southwest. Its shares, which have traded between $14.50 and $18.20 over the past year, closed up 46 cents Wednesday at $15.66.
In a report, Mr. King called a leveraged buyout of Dallas-based Southwest "a no-brainer in the current financial market. Airlines are in play all over the place."
Southwest "in particular has a multiyear fuel hedge portfolio, billions in unencumbered aircraft values, a significant [Boeing] 737 order book, excellent long-term operational and financial trends, industry tailwinds and upside potential as temptations," Mr. King said.
He cited one possible roadblock, saying the company would have to turn its philosophy 180 degrees to accept a buyout.
"Herb Kelleher [chairman since 1978] does not even have a grave to spin in yet," he said.
A Southwest spokeswoman declined to comment, but she noted a similar rumor circulated in February.
Speaking on CNBC, Mr. King said the Southwest speculation was "not a joke, and I'm not crazy."
 
Lastly, EVERY pilot I know at CAL HATES his job. :beer:

Yeah, here we go again! This is news to me too.

There are always going to be a handful of complainers, no matter where you go, but not all of us are cut out to drink the kool-aid either. Some of CAL's shortcomings are obviouisly blasted all over this board, but overall, it's a place the bulk of us are glad to be at.
 
Southwest in play? It's a possibility


[SIZE=-1]08:55 AM CDT on Thursday, April 19, 2007[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]By TERRY MAXON / The Dallas Morning News [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][email protected] [/SIZE]

Southwest Airlines Co. is ripe for a leveraged buyout, with its high profit, unencumbered assets and low debt, one airline industry observer said Wednesday.
Analyst Roger King of CreditSights projected a possible market value of $15 billion, or $19 to $20 a share, for Southwest. Its shares, which have traded between $14.50 and $18.20 over the past year, closed up 46 cents Wednesday at $15.66.
In a report, Mr. King called a leveraged buyout of Dallas-based Southwest "a no-brainer in the current financial market. Airlines are in play all over the place."
Southwest "in particular has a multiyear fuel hedge portfolio, billions in unencumbered aircraft values, a significant [Boeing] 737 order book, excellent long-term operational and financial trends, industry tailwinds and upside potential as temptations," Mr. King said.
He cited one possible roadblock, saying the company would have to turn its philosophy 180 degrees to accept a buyout.
"Herb Kelleher [chairman since 1978] does not even have a grave to spin in yet," he said.
A Southwest spokeswoman declined to comment, but she noted a similar rumor circulated in February.
Speaking on CNBC, Mr. King said the Southwest speculation was "not a joke, and I'm not crazy."


If, and I mean IF, that happened, it would probably mean the end of swa. They would be a worthless mess, like nwa is today, within 5 years. I'm guessing those at swa know this and are working right now to find ways to prevent it.
 
Hmm, I'm at CAL and I love my job. I know that I should be paid more but that will come. What's funny is that all of my friends here like it too. Maybe I'm just dillusional.
 
all lies!!!! you all hate it! say it, say it!!!
 
Most, but not all, of the guys I know at CAL are quite happy. I am pretty sure it is among the top places to fly, all things considered.
 
SWA RPM is 13.11, RASM 9.28, CASM is 8.93. Clearly this shows SWA biggest disadvantage is the amount of growth it is experiencing.

Huh?

For a management guy, you don't do this very well.

How do the data you posted "clearly show" a growth "disadvantage"?

Had you posted YOY or other trend data, you MIGHT be able to make a claim on growth. To assert a "disadvantage" you'd need to include trend data from competitors too.

In the fifth inning tonight, the Twins were down 2-1 to Seattle.

That is just as salient as your post.

(Twins actually won 6-5)
 
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1Q at Southwest, Continental Spur Worry

By DAVID KOENIG

DALLAS - Southwest Airlines Co. warned Thursday of slowing revenue growth, and its CEO spoke about a "transformation" at the low-cost carrier that could include charging customers for future amenities such as onboard wireless Internet service.

The worrisome update came as Southwest and Continental Airlines Inc. reported first-quarter results that raised questions whether a long, slow industry recovery that finally produced widespread profits last year might stall due to a weakening economy.

"Let's not stick our heads in the sand. There is a growing body of evidence that domestic demand is deteriorating, further calling into question the likelihood of 2008 results anywhere near" the profits that analysts have been forecasting, said J.P. Morgan Securities analyst Jamie Baker said in a note to clients.

Southwest's net profit rose by half, meeting forecasts, but would have fallen sharply without gains from investments that hedge against swings in future fuel costs.

Continental swung to a first-quarter profit, its first January-March profit since 2001, as it put more people on its flights and charged higher fares. The airline was helped by strong traffic on international routes, which Southwest doesn't fly, but Continental's CEO said competition was pressuring revenue.

Investors bid down both carriers on the New York Stock Exchange. Continental shares fell $2.59, or 5.9 percent, to $41.15, and Southwest shares dropped 29 cents, or 1.9 percent, to $15.37.

Philip Baggaley, an analyst with Standard & Poor's, said in an interview that demand has weakened due to softening in the economy. But he said the slowdown should be put in perspective; it follows two years of higher fares and unit revenue.

Revenue per mile flown by paying passengers "has stopped climbing, but it has leveled off at cruising altitude," Baggaley said. "These are levels that any of those airlines would have killed for two years ago."

Southwest said it earned $93 million, or 12 cents per share in the first three months of 2007, compared to $61 million, or 7 cents per share, in the first quarter of 2006. But without gains from derivative contracts that hedge future fuel costs, profit would have been $33 million, or 4 cents per share, down from 8 cents per share a year ago on the same basis.
Revenue rose 8.9 percent, to $2.2 billion from $2.02 billion.

Revenue per miles flown by passengers rose 1.4 percent, a slower increase than a year earlier. Chief Executive Gary C. Kelly called the gain "solid," but cautioned that unit revenue will decline in the April-June quarter based on the traffic so far in April and future bookings.

Kelly said Southwest has "been through these soft patches before," but he also said the airline must find new sources of revenue to offset rising costs.
Southwest faces a bigger challenge on costs than other airlines because the hedging bets made in the past that have boosted earnings for several years are now running out.

Southwest is famously reluctant to tinker with its low-cost, no-frills model but now finds itself, as Kelly put it, "in a transformation of sorts." He said fare increases would be difficult, yet Southwest must find enough money from customers to cover operating expenses.

Among the options, Kelly said, is Internet service aboard flights. Southwest plans to soon ask vendors for proposals on such a system. He ruled out charging customers for checking one or two bags, but wouldn't discuss other ideas.

Kelly also downplayed speculation that Southwest might be targeted in a private buyout. He said airlines are ill-suited to take on heavy debt, and Southwest's service culture might not withstand a change in owners.
Houston-based Continental earned $22 million, or 21 cents per share, in the first quarter, compared to a net loss of $66 million, or 76 cents per share, a year earlier.

Excluding one-time factors, including a $7 million gain from selling its stake in regional carrier ExpressJet Holdings Inc. and $11 million in charges, Continental said it would have earned 25 cents per share.
Analysts, who typically exclude special items from their calculations, had forecast 14 cents per share, according to Thomson Financial.
Revenue rose 7.9 percent, to $3.18 billion, from $2.95 billion. Winter storms that caused flight cancellations reduced revenue by $10 million.
Despite a 4.7 percent increase in flight capacity, revenue per passenger rose 5.9 percent. As a result, the average plane flew 79.1 percent full, up 0.9 percentage points from a year earlier.

Continental's capacity grew nearly 9 percent last year, adding flights in Newark, N.J., to fend off a challenge from JetBlue Airways Corp. It aims to grow 5 to 7 percent a year, but if it expands more slowly because of a weaker economy, "I'm OK with that," said Chairman and CEO Lawrence W. Kellner.
 
SWA mentioned in the earnings release yesterday that they bought back $209M in stock. 2 questions: 1) Does anyone know if this buyback was completed in 1Q? 2) If the repurchase was completed in 1Q, does that mean that the profit would have actually been $242M without the buyback?

Thanks.
 
SWA mentioned in the earnings release yesterday that they bought back $209M in stock. 2 questions: 1) Does anyone know if this buyback was completed in 1Q? 2) If the repurchase was completed in 1Q, does that mean that the profit would have actually been $242M without the buyback?

Thanks.
No, they are using cash on hand to buyback the stock. The stock was repurchased this quarter and is not part of the earnings statement. It really doesn't make a difference since this cash is mostly offset by people who buy non-refundable tickets and never actually travel.
 
Airline stocks climbing, but Southwest downgraded

Cathay Financial analyst Susan Donofrio cut Southwest to "Underperform" from "Outperform," citing higher costs and indications of a softening domestic market.
In a research report, Donofrio wrote that higher maintenance, landing fees and labor costs pushed her to cut her 2007 earnings forecast for the low-cost carrier to 64 cents per share from 88 cents per share. Wall Street analysts, on average, expect 82 cents per share, according to a Thomson Financial analyst survey.
Donofrio wrote that 2008 will probably be a tough year for Southwest, as its powerful fuel hedges roll off. Southwest for years has been able to blunt the effect of rising oil prices through its hedges.
 
SWA mentioned in the earnings release yesterday that they bought back $209M in stock. 2 questions: 1) Does anyone know if this buyback was completed in 1Q? 2) If the repurchase was completed in 1Q, does that mean that the profit would have actually been $242M without the buyback?

Thanks.

I haven't checked when the stock buyback was completed, however, stock buybacks do not show up on the income statement at all and therefore do not have any impact on reported earnings. Only income and expenses related to your primary business show up on the income statement. The buyback will show up indirectly on the balance sheet (decrease cash - increase stockholder equity) and the statement of cash flows (subtraction from cash in the financing activities section)....now that I think about it would be on the income statement but only on the "outstanding shares" line (which would decrease) which is used as the divisor when calculating Earnings Per Share. In any of these cases it would be burried in with other transactions.
If you check the footnotes in the quarterly report it may be broken out, but $242 million for a company the size of southwest and considering how many stock transactions they do in a quarter (bu ybacks, option exercises by employees, etc.) it may not be considered material by the accountants and therefore, not be broken out individually.
 
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SWA mentioned in the earnings release yesterday that they bought back $209M in stock. 2 questions: 1) Does anyone know if this buyback was completed in 1Q? 2) If the repurchase was completed in 1Q, does that mean that the profit would have actually been $242M without the buyback?

Thanks.

I guess I really didn't answer your question...no it would not have changed the profit reported.

later
 

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