Parking break question??

[Flying-Corporal]

Do you set parking brakes when told Position and Hold or it's against company policy to do it on the runway?

 

[retired guy]

Depends on how long you are gona be there.

 

[AutoBus]

Do you set parking brakes when told Position and Hold or it's against company policy to do it on the runway?

Oh yes, it's black and white. Don't you know that?

I've never seen a company policy that even remotely addresses that (and I've seen I lot company policies) sounds like you have a check airmen or captain grasping for straws

 

[landlover]

Do you set parking brakes when told Position and Hold or it's against company policy to do it on the runway?

i cant possible find a reason that one way would be better than the other? tower doesn't often give you a time you will be holding on the runway. but then again i guess you should be paying attention and ready to go. sometimes i set it sometimes i dont. it could also depend on equipment.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Yes!

Yes it's true.

The parking brake solves more problems in the aviation industry than any other device in the cockpit.

 

[jetdriven]

as a rule i never set it

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

What is a parking break?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Funny parking brake story. When I was very young 18 or 19 I used to drop parachute jumpers out of a C-206 and as a procedure we used to set the P/B so that the jumpers could stand on the wheel as they gathered out of the A/C. Well, I forgot to take the P/B off one time. It was the shortest landing I have ever made and I found out on my next paycheck how expensive airplane tires really are.
You never get a break from the boss, even if it is your father

 

[Beech Balls]

Setting the parking brake while on an acitve runway is a s00pid thing to do.
Do it on a taxiway, ok, or where people might be able to sneak around you....not EVER while in Pos./Hold. I've had brakes seize and freeze.....mostly freeze, and it would be embarassing to tell the tower after they clear you to go....: "uhhh....actually....we're stuck here....."

 

[Flying-Corporal]

Setting the parking brake while on an acitve runway is a s00pid thing to do.
Do it on a taxiway, ok, or where people might be able to sneak around you....not EVER while in Pos./Hold. I've had brakes seize and freeze.....mostly freeze, and it would be embarassing to tell the tower after they clear you to go....: "uhhh....actually....we're stuck here....."

I've heard the freezing parking brake story before. What are the chances of that happening when you're holding on the rwy for 30 sec? 1 min??? Why didn't it freeze at the gate when you were boarding? How about flying in the summer? Same logic?

I've had a few military guys tell me that the they had a rule that when the a/c was not in motion the parking brake had to be set.

As far as stupid... I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[Fedora]

I've had a few military guys tell me that the they had a rule that when the a/c was not in motion the parking brake had to be set.

That's the policy at my company, and I agree with it.
It's an easy habit to develop, and a safe one.

 

[lrn2fly]

At the start of the runway I don't see any extra hazard. A intersection takeoff position I would not.

 

[Little Bubba]

Setting the parking brake while on an acitve runway is a s00pid thing to do.
Do it on a taxiway, ok, or where people might be able to sneak around you....not EVER while in Pos./Hold. I've had brakes seize and freeze.....mostly freeze, and it would be embarassing to tell the tower after they clear you to go....: "uhhh....actually....we're stuck here....."

Is it fair to assume that you have never flown a "big" jet (besides a simulator)?

 

[jetdriven]

the hazard is on a slippery runway, you could have a loss of directional control. Or like the story I heard these guys took of in a dc-10 on a slick runway with the parking brake on. when they crossed the intersecting runway which was clean they blew out all the tires.

 

[Peanut gallery]

You can argue this both ways....

The best thing to do is the same thing every time, whatever side of the arguement you end up on. Be consistent and have patterns that follow you through the process of operating the aircraft.

 

[Beech Balls]

Nope...never flown a big jet, that's true, but I do have the rating.
But in the middle of a cold-a$$ winter in the north east, when the temps are below 0 deg. F...brake deice only works so well, and your tires start to freeze to the ground.....so much fun!

 

[BSkin]

Hey Purple Porpoise Jockey, any reference to Gainesville?

 

[XBOEINGDRVR]

All the jobs I have had required to set the brake unless you want to move.Period. If Im expecting a few seconds on the runway, I usually dont set it. I have never heard of a brake freezing up, and so what if it did, how is that your fault? I dont think its stupid at all.

 

[Oh-ryan]

Parking Break?

All the parking breaks I've ever had resulted in the ole "stinky pinky".

 

[Ty Webb]

If it is going to be a while ("traffic crossing down-field") I set the parking brake. If the FO is the PF (Pilot Flying), then I ask him if he wants to hold the brakes, or if he wants me to set them. About half ask me to set 'em, the other half say they'll hold them.

Anytime I am stopped on a taxiway, the brakes are set, period. That way, I can talk on my cell-phone . . . . or post on flightinfo.com

Heh-heh

 

[blzr]

I've heard the freezing parking brake story before. What are the chances of that happening when you're holding on the rwy for 30 sec? 1 min??? Why didn't it freeze at the gate when you were boarding? How about flying in the summer? Same logic?

I've had a few military guys tell me that the they had a rule that when the a/c was not in motion the parking brake had to be set.

As far as stupid... I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

Our Mechanic has said not to set the paking brake while shutting down the engines. I say, you do your job, I'll do mine. You will only freeze the brakes if you ride the hell out of 'em. Don't ride the brakes {slow down} and you will never, let me repeat, never, FREEZE the brakes.

 

[Falconjet]

I like spring break.

Parking brake? Set it when directed or you feel like it. No big whoop.

FJ

 

[Aerosurfer]

A lot has to do with the Take off Config button, and some CYA and CVR stuff, If pressed before takeoff and its ok, then dont set it again, all is status quo by holding the brakes, if you set it and then dont 'reconfig' and something happens the FDR/CVR will tell big brother whats up.... or just re config, but that would involve doing something more, and we are all lazy SOBs

 

[Cardinal]

Nope...never flown a big jet, that's true, but I do have the rating.
But in the middle of a cold-a$$ winter in the north east, when the temps are below 0 deg. F...brake deice only works so well, and your tires start to freeze to the ground.....so much fun!

The 1900 is a special case (think helmets/short bus) - those brakes have a maniacal tendency to freeze at odd moments, and we never had brake deice. Nothing like being welded to the ground despite the application of takeoff power. But......the usual scenario is a long, slow taxi in loose, deepish snow - not a brief wait on a relatively clean runway. Usually the arrival end, where every aircraft before you has shed their glycol is a pretty clean place. I'd be more than comfortable setting the brake on the runway on a snowy day.

 

[Schiphol]

I was told never to set it in front of the JBD.

Aside from that...isn't that kinda what it is there for? So someone doesn't have to hold the brakes?

Of course I'm just lazy and like labor saving devices like the parking brake. Oh and Spam. And my Ginsu knife set.

 

[Nocturnal1]

Biggest reason for not setting the parking brake at a military field is that many are single runways. Kinda sucks when you're an emergency aircraft and can't land because some yahoo just closed down the only runway with stuck brakes. On a side note: in 26+ years of flying bo-ku types of aerial machines have I ever had this scenario happen to me? Not so much (read not at all).

 

[Taildragon]

Bitchin Betty tells us if we try to t/o with the brake set. Pilot proof.

 

[XBOEINGDRVR]

I too have never heard or had a brake "freeze up" on me, and so what if it did? Thats not the pilots fault. I set it if Im holding in position, and If Im stopped on a taxiway.

 

[NW Flyer]

I was trying to land at the Kenai airport one day, and while on downwind, a Gulfstream that had been cleared for takeoff called the tower back and said he couldn't go, and suspected he had a blown tire. I looked over and saw that he had stopped maybe 300' into the takeoff roll. He hopped out found not one, but 4 blown tires.

Airport ops put some cones across the runway another 500' or so past him, then they cleared me to land on the remaining runway.

As we landed, we saw 4 black marks running most of the length of the runway, and they turned off at the same taxiway we did, then turned down the parallel taxiway and ran back to the takeoff end of the runway. Huh???

A little sluething around revealed the "rest of the story". They had aborted two takeoffs already due to an abnormal indication (something with bleed air if I recall) It would seem after the first abort, while they sat in the runup area talking about the problem, the brakes stuck. They didn't notice. They tried the second takeoff, but it didn't go too well. This is when they left the black marks all the way down the runway. So, they taxied back and tried a third time, and this is when all the tires decided they had had enough.

Oh, there was no snow or ice, it was a nice warm spring day.

True story!!!

 

[Ty Webb]

They had aborted two takeoffs already due to an abnormal indication (something with bleed air if I recall) It would seem after the first abort, while they sat in the runup area talking about the problem, the brakes stuck.

After an aborted takeoff, you'd think they would go somewhere where they could chock the plane, release the brakes, and dig out the charts for cooling times . .. .. `