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Big Brown - The Untold Story of UPS

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I just read 'Big Brown - The Untold Story of UPS" by Greg Niemann.

Looks like that company is going to be the airline to be at in years to come. Not really sure what can stop UPS and/or FedEx now.

I don't see the legacy airlines ever coming close to these two again in terms of pay, quality of life and security.

Who would have thought, huh?

I know a guy that left CAL and another guy leaving UAL for UPS soon. I think they are smart.
 
I did UPS as my project for my MBA. That's what convinced me to apply.

Communist CHina whacking Taiwan is a scary scenario for me. Aside from that UAV cargo tops my list of fears.
 
Non Union said:
Looks like [UPS] is going to be the airline to be at in years to come. Not really sure what can stop UPS and/or FedEx now.
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I can think of half-a-dozen things, and I'm just a dumb pilot. I would think that a guy with an MBA could come up with a lot more.

I don't see the legacy airlines ever coming close to these two again in terms of pay, quality of life and security.
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That's what the legacy airlines were saying about cargo 10 years ago. In fact, if you had told most "Major Airline" pilots that Southwest would one day head the list of desireable flying jobs, they would have laughed you right out of the Sky Lounge.

Don't feel bad. I'm sure that if you had told the head of NASA that one day, one of his astronauts would drive 900 miles in a diaper to kill a romantic rival, he would have laughed, too.

I know a guy that left CAL and another guy leaving UAL for UPS soon. I think they are smart.
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I hope things work out well for your friends. I once met a guy who left FedEx in the 70's to go to Frontier. Less than ten years later, he was on the street, while his buddies at FedEx were moving up to the DC-10. He was, and is, a "smart guy," and his decision to leave was probably a good one, based on the information that was available to him at that time.
 
Non Union said:
I just read 'Big Brown - The Untold Story of UPS" by Greg Niemann.

Looks like that company is going to be the airline to be at in years to come. Not really sure what can stop UPS and/or FedEx now.

I don't see the legacy airlines ever coming close to these two again in terms of pay, quality of life and security.

Who would have thought, huh?

I know a guy that left CAL and another guy leaving UAL for UPS soon. I think they are smart.
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flamebait
 
UPS FedEx may survive, but will flying the airplanes be still part of thier success? RPV's are now flown in Iraq from consoles in California. We can see the future in int'l cargo. Operators at consoles in MEM and SDF 8 hour shifts, running thier RPV's around the world. Year 2042.
 
Whistlin' Dan said:
Don't feel bad. I'm sure that if you had told the head of NASA that one day, one of his astronauts would drive 900 miles in a diaper to kill a romantic rival, he would have laughed, too.


Didn't the chick ever think she had to stop for gas anyway? What's with the diapers?:confused:
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pilotyip said:
UPS FedEx may survive, but will flying the airplanes be still part of thier success? RPV's are now flown in Iraq from consoles in California. We can see the future in int'l cargo. Operators at consoles in MEM and SDF 8 hour shifts, running thier RPV's around the world. Year 2042.
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This is a danger to all pilots, not just cargo pilots.
 
Whistlin' Dan said:
. I'm sure that if you had told the head of NASA that one day, one of his astronauts would drive 900 miles in a diaper to kill a romantic rival, he would have laughed, too.
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Good one!
 
Non Union said:
I just read 'Big Brown - The Untold Story of UPS" by Greg Niemann.

Looks like that company is going to be the airline to be at in years to come. Not really sure what can stop UPS and/or FedEx now.

I don't see the legacy airlines ever coming close to these two again in terms of pay, quality of life and security.

Who would have thought, huh?

I know a guy that left CAL and another guy leaving UAL for UPS soon. I think they are smart.
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And you just figured this out! This is a company that made 1.2billion last quarter and that was not from moving aircraft around the world, it was from trucking boxes! The costs of running the airline are just a write off for UPS not how the money is made. Nice to work for an airline that does not have to be profitable.
 
I know a pilot who left FedEx for Braniff, there were pilots who left UPS in the 90's for the dream jobs at UAL, DAL, etc. They will only know in five years if they made the right choice.
 
Fr8dog,

These guys don't do anything that is not profitable, if they do it isn't for long. In fact they don't even go into a market to make "a little" money, they usually only go in if there is big profit involved. $1.2 billion........prolly don't make that kind of money running an unprofitable portion of your business.
 
About 35% OF UPS's profits come from the airline. That percent has been increasing dramatically and hopefully will contine to do so. I think FDX is the inverse and their ground side has been making a bigger share of their total revenue and profits.
 
Walkers, defibrillators and Depends will be standard issue by then, too. And the pilot seats will have lavs built into them complete with Asian-style wash options. Actually, that's sounding pretty good - I'll never retire - they can't make me...
 
Not to sound like I am repeating myself but DAL,UAL,NWA ETC. make money flying airplanes where the customer will fly a start up airline that got their first airplane yesterday if the fare is 10 bucks cheaper! Not the case at UPS,FEX etc. The money is made trucking boxes the cost of the airline is just part of the business they are in.
 

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