Open Skies US/EU Approved

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez... you're a good guy, but this post of yours is idiotic.

Welfare mentality? I pay $150/month for "the Man" to represent me and other 60-odd thousand "welfare" people. I expect "the Man" to do what the majority wants EVERY time.

Realistic solutions? I don't know... call APA, I'm sure they can come up with a thing or two that don't include surrendering. Oh wait, they did.

Better get ready for the Pink Ribbon Panel... because not only the airline managements have seen that we'll fold like a bunch of pu$$ies, now the government has seen it too.

FD-

I am sure we have more in common than not....

I just don't find it realistic that the status quo is going to reamain the same for over 60+ years. Yes Age 60. Times change. Things evolve. Women vote.

I understand your fustration but your attitude is hindering. You don't have any solutions to offer except "it's not fair".

 

[Phaedrus]

British Airways denied that a price war will break out, with Britain's BMI among the airlines planning to launch rival US flights from Heathrow.

Until money is on the line...oh, wait, nevermind.

 

[Phaedrus]

Rez, I second the opinion of Freight Dog. You claim he never offers solutions. What do you offer? I see you adeptly pointing your finger in anyone's eye who claims something isn't fair, but not much more than that.
Change? Sure. But change simply for change's sake or because you think it's inevitable is backward thinking. You try to draw an analogy to women voting? Please, it's a false analogy on the very face of it. Some changes are not fair. Period. That's why we have a union. Yes, we're the union but it's a democratic republic in that, as FD stated, we pay our reps and national officers to represent the majority view. What's your solution to that?
I'm tired of arguing with people who prefer Thursday over Wednesday simply because it's Thursday.

 

[PowerRanger]

And NWA fits in where?

Merging with Delta for their european routes and the combined company having the most flights to europe and asia.

And all yours bases belong to us!

 

[BigMeat]

Hmm. How many of you people complaining contributed to ALPA PAC? Nothing? Then shut your pie holes. Better yet those pilots who are were opposed should have written a letter to Hillbilly Monkey Boy Bush who loves to sell labor up the creek. That would have made a tremendous diffrence. ALPA is the only thing we have in Washington. Support it or start something better. Complaining is like pissing in the ocean. It doesnt make a diffrence. ALPA is not a stand alone entity, its all of us.

 

[Freight Dog]

A LOT of us WERE donating to the PAC. Well, the PAC won't see another dime from me anymore. I don't know about the others. No sense in supporting a weak organization where they won't represent the majority.

 

[Wozin8or]

Everyone seems to be skipping the question OK3 asked. How does more trans-atlantic flying hurt our domistic system? I am with him, I must be missing something. For Fedex the company has already started talking with our Union about new routes we are going to fly because of this. Stuff we can't do now so we have to contract it out. Somebody explain how thats bad or what I am missing.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Wozin, I think folks are (rightly) concerned that eventually this will lead to outsourcing of Yankee flying for freight and pax. Initially there will be an increase for US carriers but as time goes on I speculate (just theory, no fact) there will be a push to allow outside carriers (i.e., cheapest) to do the flying. The ol' camel getting its nose inside the tent....

 

[GogglesPisano]

In 20 years this industry will be like the shipping industry. Foreign flags lined up at LGA bound for ORD and DCA.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

In 20 years this industry will be like the shipping industry. Foreign flags lined up at LGA bound for ORD and DCA.

With cheap foerign labor happily working for cents on the dollar....

 

[AA717driver]

Hate to prop up the sky but exactly where will all these foreign laborers come from?

There is a desperate pilot shortage everywhere but in the U.S. Will that change? Maybe, but not anytime soon. TC

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Hate to prop up the sky but exactly where will all these foreign laborers come from?

There is a desperate pilot shortage everywhere but in the U.S. Will that change? Maybe, but not anytime soon. TC

Perhaps that shady PFT place that was in Orlando (can't remember the name) can reopen in Malaysia and do some PFTing. They don't seem to have any trouble finding laborers making Nike tennis shoes or Charbroil grills over in China. I realize flying is a different skill set but where there is a will there is a way - especially if a nickel can be saved!

 

[skyward80]

There's a pilot shortage??? I'll call flat out BS on that.

 

[Freight Dog]

With cheap foerign labor happily working for cents on the dollar....

I hate to say it, but what's the difference between cheap foreign labor like that and the domestic 500 hour CFI's with SJS?

 

[General Lee]

Wasn't the big plan at Delta to go after the international money? Is Delta now totally screwed?

Huh? The only thing we will gain here is Heathrow slots, and this agreement is better than the current Bermuda 2 rules that only allow UAL and AA to have slots there. We can wait a bit. We go almost everywhere else in Europe, and now we can add some extra frequency. (this Summer we are adding Vienna, Bucharest, and Pisa, Italy) Heathrow is the crown jewel, and now we have a shot at it. Can we get slots or gates there? I bet some Skyteam members would allow us to borrow some.


Bye Bye--General Lee