Delta 190?

[Truckdriver]

Didn't the latest Delta contract contain a negotiated rate for 190's? I thought that it did, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. If it did, could someone post them. If they negotiated rates for them, what is the word about them actually getting them?

 

[Chronic Jetlag]

After bankruptcy DAL will shed their debt and be flush with cash. They'll buy Jetblue for their new JFK terminal then will either staple the JB dudes to the bottom or the JB dudes will be all on the street.

 

[IronCityBlue]

staple bump flush etc

After bankruptcy DAL will shed their debt and be flush with cash. They'll buy Jetblue for their new JFK terminal then will either staple the JB dudes to the bottom or the JB dudes will be all on the street.

I've heard this rumor from several independant sources (which in all reality are just a small group of people passing around a rumor someone started just for flame, but oh well!) and I believe this is the original intent of DAL. The problem is will they be out of BK and able to put something like this together before the new and improved merger language that's (supposedly) on the way for us happens. Not likely.

I'm hearing that its complete and ready to be released. Supposed to be fairly good language that would put us on a level playin field with binding arbitration, etc and basically force a company to take us. It doesn't specify the final end result (no merger language in history ever has), but at this point there's really no difference between staple and date of hire, as Delta has only hired a couple classes during the bulk of JB's existance.

Either way, we'd all end up being Delta pilots, because Delta promised massive preference for all carriers who hired their furloughs without making them resign their seniority numbers, which includes us.

 

[acarpe3448]

EMB190/CRJ-900 -rates for F/Os 1st-48.88 12th-66.35

Capts 1st-89.18 12th-97.14

by 2009 Capt rates go up to $101.08

 

[Wiskey Driver]

EMB190/CRJ-900 -rates for F/Os 1st-48.88 12th-66.35

Capts 1st-89.18 12th-97.14

by 2009 Capt rates go up to $101.08

Hey 737 Pylt your new RJ is calling:laugh:

WD.

 

[dtfl]

I've heard this rumor from several independant sources (which in all reality are just a small group of people passing around a rumor someone started just for flame, but oh well!) and I believe this is the original intent of DAL. The problem is will they be out of BK and able to put something like this together before the new and improved merger language that's (supposedly) on the way for us happens. Not likely.

I'm hearing that its complete and ready to be released. Supposed to be fairly good language that would put us on a level playin field with binding arbitration, etc and basically force a company to take us. It doesn't specify the final end result (no merger language in history ever has), but at this point there's really no difference between staple and date of hire, as Delta has only hired a couple classes during the bulk of JB's existance.

Either way, we'd all end up being Delta pilots, because Delta promised massive preference for all carriers who hired their furloughs without making them resign their seniority numbers, which includes us.

What about relative seniority? If that issue comes us - does a guy that is a Capt at Jetblue but would hold a MD88 FO seat (on reserve, possibly) at Delta get to keep his Jet Blue relative seniority (keep his JB Sen # vs the DAL Sen # he still has) and be a capt if Delta buys JB????? IF this happens it will be ugly...as some of the JB guys would be on the bottom of the DAL list..and now...they get to come in with relative seniority???
Can anyone chime in one this? Will make for an interesting debate should a merger happen.

 

[hateairlines]

The chances of delta buying Jetblue is 0%

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I would say that the best way to get a DAL number is to get hired. There has been a lot of talk about JB, but we will all have to wait and see what happens when they exit.

 

[737 Pylt]

Hey 737 Pylt your new RJ is calling:laugh:

WD.

WD:
Don't know when (if) these are coming?! I wouldn't mind flying it as a captain, but at $101/hr, its a paycut. But its still a lot more than LCC pay!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

737

 

[dtfl]

The chances of delta buying Jetblue is 0%

and why is that? In this day and age, anything can happen.

 

[B6Driver]

After bankruptcy DAL will shed their debt and be flush with cash. They'll buy Jetblue for their new JFK terminal then will either staple the JB dudes to the bottom or the JB dudes will be all on the street.

DAL will be lucky to get out of BK by the end of 2007.

 

[DOVPILOT]

The chances of delta buying Jetblue is 0%

The chances Delta really wants to buy Blue Juice 0%

 

[Pat Fabin]

B6 driver,

Thanks for the support, but DAL will be exiting BK on April 30th, 2007. You should stick to what you know, like cleaning rows 1-5.

 

[IronCityBlue]

mergermania

What about relative seniority? If that issue comes us - does a guy that is a Capt at Jetblue but would hold a MD88 FO seat (on reserve, possibly) at Delta get to keep his Jet Blue relative seniority (keep his JB Sen # vs the DAL Sen # he still has) and be a capt if Delta buys JB????? IF this happens it will be ugly...as some of the JB guys would be on the bottom of the DAL list..and now...they get to come in with relative seniority???
Can anyone chime in one this? Will make for an interesting debate should a merger happen.

If this ever happened in the first place (big if) I hope no one gets a windfall at the expense of another. A JB pilot in the top 10% shouldn't be able to bid the top 10% of a combined company and take a widebody left seat. No way. Likewise, a 6 year DAL FO should not be able to take a 320 CA slot right away. Maybe a relative integration that begins only after the last number of total widebody positions or total captains, plus a 2-5 year freeze with all new hires post buyout at both companies going to the bottom in DOH order. In any case I hope everyone keeps their jobs, seats and there's no grave dancing. Again, IF it ever happens.

 

[rf285]

Apples to oranges here. DOH only if you are lucky for blue juice.

 

[IronCityBlue]

exactly

Apples to oranges here. DOH only if you are lucky for blue juice.

But there's very, very little difference between DOH and a staple. Only a few Delta classes and a small percentage of JB would be effected either way since DAL hasn't hired for the bulk of JB's existance. The issue is slotted/relative integration, freezes, fences and the like.

 

[Truckdriver]

After bankruptcy DAL will shed their debt and be flush with cash. They'll buy Jetblue for their new JFK terminal then will either staple the JB dudes to the bottom or the JB dudes will be all on the street.

That wasn't the question craftsman.

 

[Truckdriver]

The only reason Delta would want to buy JetBlue would be to snatch up the terminal in JFK, maybe get a few 190's, then dismantle the company to take away competition. With all the political connections JetBlue has in NY and with the Port Authority, I highly doubt the DOJ would ever approve a Delta-JetBlue merger. Ticket prices from BUF to JFK would increase significantly if Delta bought JetBlue and the NY politicians won't go for that. Delta will be looking to merge with a company that will increase it's global routes not it's routes on the capacity saturated east coast. Delta would be much better off with a United or Northwest merger.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

DAL will be lucky to get out of BK by the end of 2007.

And how soon before Jet Blue is in BK?

 

[Truckdriver]

I would think one would be much better off being on the bottom of the Delta list than on the JetBlue list. Career expectations play a large part in merger integrations, and I think the Delta guys would have the advantage here. That along with the most unifed group of ALPA pilots, and I'm fairly sure the JetBlue guys would not get much out of the deal. I think ALPA will laugh when our pilots bring their Word document with a paragraph about job protection in the event of a buyout. I highly doubt our "pilot contract" will do us much good even if the language is improved.

 

[Truckdriver]

And how soon before Jet Blue is in BK?

We should be good until next winter now. I don't think we're going to see anymore snow.

 

[VeeOne]

WD:
Don't know when (if) these are coming?! I wouldn't mind flying it as a captain, but at $101/hr, its a paycut. But its still a lot more than LCC pay!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

737

Jeez- and you'd think he was F/0 on the 797 or Space Shuttle......

 

[acarpe3448]

I don't think Delta will have the money to buy Jetblue. We will have a lot of cash on hand, but not that much! I hope we pay down some debt and get pay rates back to where they need to be!

 

[GogglesPisano]

I don't think Delta will have the money to buy Jetblue. We will have a lot of cash on hand, but not that much! I hope we pay down some debt and get pay rates back to where they need to be!

Cash not required. All financing can be handled by Wall Street (for obscene fees, of course.)

Airlines buy airlines on credit.

 

[Texx]

B6 driver,

Thanks for the support, but DAL will be exiting BK on April 30th, 2007. You should stick to what you know, like cleaning rows 1-5.

ZING!

 

[dtfl]

Cash not required. All financing can be handled by Wall Street (for obscene fees, of course.)

Airlines buy airlines on credit.

Just what Delta needs...moooore DEBT.

 

[dtfl]

If this ever happened in the first place (big if) I hope no one gets a windfall at the expense of another. A JB pilot in the top 10% shouldn't be able to bid the top 10% of a combined company and take a widebody left seat. No way. Likewise, a 6 year DAL FO should not be able to take a 320 CA slot right away. Maybe a relative integration that begins only after the last number of total widebody positions or total captains, plus a 2-5 year freeze with all new hires post buyout at both companies going to the bottom in DOH order. In any case I hope everyone keeps their jobs, seats and there's no grave dancing. Again, IF it ever happens.

Good points..but...what IF.....my scenario happened..a furloughed DAL guy has a line # at JB and at Delta. His line # at JB allows him to prolly fly Capt on the 320, but MD88 or 73-8 FO at Delta. Which one would he be stuck with?
Crazy...

 

[Fins Up]

B6 driver,

Thanks for the support, but DAL will be exiting BK on April 30th, 2007. You should stick to what you know, like cleaning rows 1-5.

ZING!

Zing? I hope that's not the best you can do. I pushed an old lady in a wheelchair up the jetway today. Why don't ya zing me for that too.

 

[astroglider]

What possible reason would DAL want anything JetBlue has to offer? DAL doesn't want the Airbus, doesn't need the JFK terminal, and B6 has had nothing but trouble with the E190s, so why would we want it?

I know anything is possible in this business but IMHO I just don't see it.

 

[Heavy Set]

Just what Delta needs...moooore DEBT.

They will have the least amount of debt of any legacy when they emerge from BK, and they will have some cash from the stock offering. The creditors want DL to be more agressive and they are electing board members that favor certain mergers or aquisitions. I can see a buyout of Jetblue, a firesale of whatever they don´t want, and then an eventual merger with Northwest. Maybe Bethune will take charge of the eventual company too.