Flight Time by Flight Conditions

[JDREsquire1224]

I am currently employed by a 121 operator, but have not been tracking instrument time nor do I distinguish day time from night time. How critical is this in the application process if I apply elsewhere? Thanks for any info. I've seen on airlineapps.com that they want a complete breakdown of flight time by flight conditions, and find this rather difficult.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Instrument flight time is really not worth logging in my opinion. You're on an instrument flight plan, and I find it a little difficult to fly that RNAV departure by looking out the window. See if you can reconstruct the night aspect, however. That may be worth going back over.

 

[sirius100]

Take your best realistic guess on your stats. Just like the 8710 form when applying for a new certificate. It's too overwhelming to add up time that you normally don't keep track of. Your 121 employer doesn't have you flight time records? My 135 employer does. I try to due my logbook twice a month.

 

[vectorvictor]

I keep rough track of it...(ummm....were there clouds today and ummm....did I fly through any of em....umm....) but the rule of thumb is about 5-10% of your flight time is IMC. I do keep track of how many instrument approaches and holding procedures just for GA.

VV

Hope this helps.

 

[fatdumbandhappy]

Instrument flight time is really not worth logging in my opinion....

I log every tenth of IMC that I can, some fractional company's (NetJets) want you to have 250 hrs of that stuff. You never know when you'll be looking for a new job.
FDAH

 

[V-1]

What about the column for time spent flying in bankruptcy?

 

[The_Russian]

I am currently employed by a 121 operator, but have not been tracking instrument time nor do I distinguish day time from night time. How critical is this in the application process if I apply elsewhere? Thanks for any info. I've seen on airlineapps.com that they want a complete breakdown of flight time by flight conditions, and find this rather difficult.

Actually, you are required to log the conditions of flight if it is required to achieve a certificate or rating. If you interview elsewhere, chances are they will want to see those columns logged. You should try to pay attention to exactly how much time you are accruing. A rough estimate is not a bad thing, of course. And yes, you can log conditions of flight as the non-flying pilot.

(b) Logbook entries. For the purposes of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, each person must enter the following information for each flight or lesson logged:
(3) Conditions of flight—
(i) Day or night.
(ii) Actual instrument.
(iii) Simulated instrument conditions in flight, a flight simulator, or a flight training device.

 

[The_Russian]

What about the column for time spent flying in bankruptcy?

Can't wait to add that one!

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

If u want another job, virtually EVERY flying organization will ask for your Actual Instrument Time. They may also ask for your simulated instrument time and simulator time.

Many flying organizations also want to know how much Night Time you have.

It is 100x easier to fill out applications using an electronic logbook. I would recommend an electronic logbook of some type to EVERY pilot now flying that may want a different job at some point in the future.

Good Luck!
cliff
YIP

 

[trainer8]

I am currently employed by a 121 operator, but have not been tracking instrument time nor do I distinguish day time from night time. How critical is this in the application process if I apply elsewhere? Thanks for any info. I've seen on airlineapps.com that they want a complete breakdown of flight time by flight conditions, and find this rather difficult.

Time to start. Get LogbookPro's APDL PDA program. Log time in after every leg you fly. APDL Imports to a laptop or desktop.

Actual instrument time should be approximately 10% of your Total Time.

If your looking for aviation work, the looks of your logbook and it's entries are a reflection of you--your charictar, and part of the picture a potential employer takes of you when considering you for a flight officer position.

A friend of mine interviewed at NWA back in the mid 1990's. He had failed to keep his logbook up to date. In a rush to update it, he made single total monthly entries for each calender month. NWA interviewers pushed it back across the table to him and said it was unacceptable to them. Rejected.

Another friend of mine interviewed during the same time and kept his log book electronically on an Apple Claris Spread sheet that he had written. NWA interviewers asked him specifics about his flight time. He apologized, excused himself and pulled out is Apple Powerbook and keyed a few entries and pulled up exact numbers. Intrigued by this geekish pilot, the Interviewers asked him other specific flight time questions to which my friend made a few more key strokes and produced the information. In minutes he had the interview board around him and his laptop, fawning over his program. He was hired on the spot.

Think about it.

 

[crxpilot]

Logbooks are a PAIN IN THE ASS!

 

[svcta]

I'm was in the same boat as the original post. I kept to-the-minute logs in my little red logbooks and entered the totals on single lines in my master log that referenced the individual red books(remarks: "totals from logbook #3", for example). I just keep those logbooks bundled with my master log.

Regarding types of time. I'm totally screwed in that sense. IMO there's just no way to keep track of IMC when you're doing 90 hours a month with 20 minute turns scheduled all day. It's 121 time....as far as I'm concerned it's all night IMC, I mean even when it's clear and a million you fly it all the same way unless you hear "cleared for the visual".

I'm glad to hear someone give a reasonable percentage number(the 5-10% mentioned above). I've always felt like at least 10% of the time I did under 121 was IMC.

As far as night time. man I don't know. I have all the out and in times in my red pilot logs, I guess I could go back and figure it all out( but I'm already ATP rated so I don't need it to prove experience, just currency), but even that would look weird. I feel like I could explain it all pretty reasonably in an interview. And I'm sure that this comes up a lot. Of course I'm part 91 now, and no one ever looks at logbooks around here.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Some guys have been rejected for ONLY having the electronic logbook on their computers, so you do need a "professional" looking printout of your elec logbook.

I will bring my laptop and a spreadsheet breakdown of my hours in case they have more questions. In today's age of on-line applications, it is less and less likely the interviewers will ask for anything like that, as they'll probably have everthing they need ahead of time.

cliff
YIP
PS-If you don't have a laptop, get one, as virtually all organizations are going to on-line everything. You can also write off much of this stuff as "Job Search" expenses if you itemize your taxes.

 

[fried chickens]

I use my lil red book and put each leg with time in hr:mins, actual, nite, and time in the usual 1.3. It doesn't take that long to write those in, just do them after you call in times. For my regular logbook I just put totals for that day on one line.