ASA ATR's are not going away.......

[711-24-7]

until 3rd quarter of year 2008. This came from MNX department head. Take it as you will, don't kill the messanger. Now have fun discussing it...........

 

[buscap]

Good and bad news.

Keeping airplanes is good.

D concourse remaining a parking abortion due to the ATRs is bad.

 

[Blucher]

Good and bad news.

Keeping airplanes is good.

D concourse remaining a parking abortion due to the ATRs is bad.

Absolutely! D's a mess! Spots 43,45,47 are where it's at!! Although I do so miss the E120 parking days, don't you?

-Blucher

 

[CFI2766]

WHoa! How's that the ATR's fault?

Good and bad news.

Keeping airplanes is good.

D concourse remaining a parking abortion due to the ATRs is bad.

 

[atrdriver]

The ATR is a cash cow, and it would not really be that smart to get rid of them. ASA flies too many legs that are too short for the RJs to make money on. As far as parking them goes, that is a ramp issue, not an aircraft specific issue.

 

[BIGGOAT]

I talked with a mgt. type the other day and he said the ATRs were PROBABLY going to stay for a while longer.

Goat

 

[Headfake14]

...heard from an old gear puller of mine in the badda bing that some of the MTC guys were going back to PEC school or something like that. Anyone else heard that?

PEC = Propeller Electronic Control
--for you RJ folks that never had your ass slapped on the ATRah--

 

[EMBATP]

hey

i just thought it would be cool to have two transformers avatars in this thread....

 

[Blucher]

i just thought it would be cool to have two transformers avatars in this thread....

I agree, but can't remember which one's which. Are you the 'good guy' or the 'bad guy?' And what was the name of the Porsche? I believe that one was the coolest.

-Blucher

 

[HA25]

I still think the best time I had flying was as on the ATR.. It was a pilots airplane. I'll be sad to see them go.

 

[Blucher]

I still think the best time I had flying was as on the ATR.. It was a pilots airplane. I'll be sad to see them go.

I don't know. From what I hear it's more a mechanic's airplane than anything else, at least at ASA.

-Blucher

PS-Like your screen name. I used to have one of those. It kicked ass!

 

[HA25]

I don't know. From what I hear it's more a mechanic's airplane than anything else, at least at ASA.

-Blucher

PS-Like your screen name. I used to have one of those. It kicked ass!

I was at ASA back in the last millennium and it was quite reliable. Heck, 2/3 of the problems were fixed by resetting all of the FCCs..

The E-120, now that was a mess..

 

[Blucher]

I was at ASA back in the last millennium and it was quite reliable. Heck, 2/3 of the problems were fixed by resetting all of the FCCs..

The E-120, now that was a mess..

Yeah, I hear that. However, it seems ASA always needs to have one a/c on property that they only band-aid, and therefore they never really get fixed and work right. Now that that E120's are gone the designated planes none of the mechanics want to work on are the ATR's. Kind of becomes a hassle if you're planning your commute to/from an ATR city. Also, the RJ's issues 99% of the time are fixed just by shutting it down and starting it back up (another reason mechanics like to "work" on it).

-Blucher

 

[asayankee]

Yeah, I hear that. However, it seems ASA always needs to have one a/c on property that they only band-aid, and therefore they never really get fixed and work right. Now that that E120's are gone the designated planes none of the mechanics want to work on are the ATR's. Kind of becomes a hassle if you're planning your commute to/from an ATR city. Also, the RJ's issues 99% of the time are fixed just by shutting it down and starting it back up (another reason mechanics like to "work" on it).

-Blucher

Not these days. I've noticed the mechanics don't seem to "fix" crap anymore. If I have one more "op's check good" I'm gonna strangle somebody. If it "op's checks good" how come it doesn't work for shi# when I fly it??? Our Mx controllers need to be taken behind the toolshed and shot! I've had 3 air returns and 2 emergencies in the last 2 months.

 

[buscap]

The ATR is a cash cow, and it would not really be that smart to get rid of them. ASA flies too many legs that are too short for the RJs to make money on. As far as parking them goes, that is a ramp issue, not an aircraft specific issue.

Don't get me wrong here people, I have a lot of love for the ATR. I just think we could squeeze out a few more gates and the ramp would be safer without them.

As far as making money, nothing beats the FROG and the training department rocks. Feelin the love now???

It's the safety-geek in me who would like to see D get cleaned up and I don't see that happening as long as the props are still here. I just know our ATR imposed parking scheme is eventually gonna result in a blue-hair getting killed, as long as we are taxiing RJs into those back spots.

I've suggested we do tow-ins on the RJ to those back spots, but my idea was shot down.

 

[Blucher]

Not these days. I've noticed the mechanics don't seem to "fix" crap anymore. If I have one more "op's check good" I'm gonna strangle somebody. If it "op's checks good" how come it doesn't work for shi# when I fly it??? Our Mx controllers need to be taken behind the toolshed and shot! I've had 3 air returns and 2 emergencies in the last 2 months.

Please don't take this the wrong way......Why don't you have them show you that "op's check good" prior to accepting the a/c? Much like Arnold and the bike shop owner, if you're iffy on something, just say no! Don't be a Dudley! There are a lot of new upgrades coming through. This means flight control will be more able to swap a/c around because they 'know' new captains = pushing broken a/c. I'm not saying this is a good thing. In fact, I suggest the newbies take it as a warning. This IS how ASA works. If you have no spine, you really ought not be in the left seat anyway. And if you did return immediately due to something you already said was messed up, good on ya'!! That's the kind of thing we need to see more of. Also, I hope you taxied out on both engines. I've gotta ask though...what were your emergencies, and how long did it take to get parked after you landed on those?

-Blucher

 

[Rotorhead1]

Keeping the ATR's around a little longer is great news if it is true. I have another 18 months to go on active duty before I return back to ASA. I hope the ATR's are still around when I return to work.

 

[asayankee]

Please don't take this the wrong way......Why don't you have them show you that "op's check good" prior to accepting the a/c? Much like Arnold and the bike shop owner, if you're iffy on something, just say no! Don't be a Dudley! There are a lot of new upgrades coming through. This means flight control will be more able to swap a/c around because they 'know' new captains = pushing broken a/c. I'm not saying this is a good thing. In fact, I suggest the newbies take it as a warning. This IS how ASA works. If you have no spine, you really ought not be in the left seat anyway. And if you did return immediately due to something you already said was messed up, good on ya'!! That's the kind of thing we need to see more of. Also, I hope you taxied out on both engines. I've gotta ask though...what were your emergencies, and how long did it take to get parked after you landed on those?

-Blucher

Emergencies:
1. Flaps stuck at 0 degrees on landing
2. Engine surging after takeoff

Air returns: (spread over a few months)
1. See #2 above
2. Broken Thrust Reverser switch
3. Anti-Ice duct overheat
4. Stall Fail
5. Radar Altimeter/GPWS malfunction

The other night we turned down 3 planes trying to head up to a very busy Northeast Airport with a landing scheduled for around 2:30 AM.
1. Repeat flutter damper problem. Written up numerous times and kept giving indications
2. Airplane with no A/P
3. Airplane with broken door and half taken apart. They still tried to assign it to us anyway!

 

[Blucher]

Emergencies:
1. Flaps stuck at 0 degrees on landing
2. Engine surging after takeoff

Air returns: (spread over a few months)
1. See #2 above
2. Broken Thrust Reverser switch
3. Anti-Ice duct overheat
4. Stall Fail
5. Radar Altimeter/GPWS malfunction

The other night we turned down 3 planes trying to head up to a very busy Northeast Airport with a landing scheduled for around 2:30 AM.
1. Repeat flutter damper problem. Written up numerous times and kept giving indications
2. Airplane with no A/P
3. Airplane with broken door and half taken apart. They still tried to assign it to us anyway!

You're either a captain with great CRM skills or you're an FO. I congratulate you on either one. Fly safe.

-Blucher

 

[HA25]

As far as making money, nothing beats the FROG and the training department rocks. Feelin the love now???

Is Dave Johnston still there? I miss that dude.. he was my sim partner in ATR initial upgrade. Give him my best.